How good can a normal, avergae looking person get with women?
 

I am reading a lot of materials and trying to absorb a lot of the theory behind this 'game' (sorry if that's the wrong term for what we are all attempting) and the more I read the more contradictory stuff I find.

As someone who knows nothing of this I am inclined to give these things the benefit of the doubt but now I don't know who is being honest or who is scamming.

Can a normal guy become a pick up god?

I'm taking in The Blueprint, Mystery Method, Brad P, amongst others as well as body language books, cold reading books, nlp books and while it is all interesting I don't feel I know what i'm doing still.

Now this may be my fear of actually getting out there and doing cold approaches which is making me feel like this but I think the fact that everything seems to give different advice isn't helping.

Should I ignore these people and just approach, approach, approach and play the odds til i figure out my own method?

So I guess what I'm trying to ask in a very round about way is... Has anybody treid and succeeded in implementing any of these methods or any others and what constitutes success? How many women can you expect to get? What is the average ratio of approaches to sex?

Sorry if these are silly questions but I'd appreciate any answers.

Thanks

Pretty much my answer would be

CANNED MATERIAL AN SHIT ASIDE

1. BE DIFFERENT IN YOUR APPROACH
2. BE INTERESTING
3. DONT BE EAGER
4. ACT or BE AS IF YOU ARE WORTHY OF ANYONE IN THE ROOM
5. DONT GIVE EVERYTHING AWAY, KEEP THEM GUESSING
6. PRESNT YOURSELF WELL.... BE CLEAN TIDY

then make ur move

they are pretty much main points... if u want u can build around that yourself

yeah pretty much. There's no better experience than first hand experience. I would suggest picking the bits you like from the methods you think would suit you best. Then just go out and practice, practice, practice. You'll start to see if the stuff you read about works or not. The more you wing it in sets, the more you start to find little tricks and lines you never knew you had in you. These actually kind of end being the tricks and lines you stick with, because they're natural and you are more congruent with them. Well, this is what I've been finding with my experiences.

Also, I recommend checking out keys to the VIP. It's quite an entertaining show and there's a lot of little gems you can pick up from there.

hey paul,
there are a lot more experienced guys on this forum who can provide a lot better advice but this is my opinion man:

“can a normal average joe guy get an abundance of the hottest girls out there?”, well I say any guy can get any girl in this world, obviously different girls require different skill levels and ways of approaching but never, and I emphasize “never” believe there is someone out there who’s out of your league, even if im wrong, you have to believe this is the truth.

when it comes down to what game suits you, ive recently discovered that canned material is great to start with but natural is so much more satisfying, when you know you don’t have to rely on material and you can seduce woman by being you. god damn…. didn’t you say in an earlier post that you did a bit of stand up comedy?
man that takes some balls, if you can work on and learn to approach natural and you can transfer the confidence you must have developed from stand up into your approaches, well that’s one potential master pua.

As for the material, I promise it works, ive used it and seen other’s using it,
but if you want proof your going to have to go out and approach. as you become more experienced, your success rate will sky rocket. And if you want that little bit extra motivation, organize a meet up with other site members, discuss sticking points and watch them in action, make your own evaluations.

One last thing, if you have a bad approach, a harsh rejection, don’t let it slow you down, its not you their rejecting it’s the material.
if you told a bad joke whilst performing stand up and had a poor reaction would you retire from comedy? what would you do and why is this so different from pick up?

Theres only one way, and one way only to get better at picking up women....


That involves leaving the house and ACTUALLY approaching and interacting with er......women

it isnt a point of debate imo that one can learn how to attract girls.. it is a skill.

the truth is women have a number of attraction triggers and thats that, they are built into them, once you know what they are it allows you to ensure u work towards demonstrating these attributes but in as natural way as you can.

ontop of that its a matter of learning social skills and how to socialise effectively, how to deal with fear and anxiety. some of us are going to have the potential to be amazing dancers but few will get realise this potential, this is all about becoming ur best self.

we can all become more socially adept with practice and so be able to convey are personality better, its a skill. having an outline such as trying to show proceed through being mr.sociable, mr. comfort and mr seducer makes it easier to achieve ur goal. its all knowledge

A totally blunt observation would be to suggest that woman are instinctively attracted to the “Alfa Male” Both consciously and unconsciously.
Those whom portray “Alfa” characteristics frequently find them selves the object of attraction, and I firmly believe this.

This old thread might help:
Attraction & Good Looks
And Kowalski posted a good reply to this thread:
Natural Order of Things

Thanks all for the replies folks. Big help. I'm just gonna keep progressing and practising and see where it takes me.

yea its not going well tbh with u cam... socialising is a skill wud that make more sense? i dont think u need to be an actor at all, maybe my belief set is all wrong then thinking its a skill, what i mean perhaps is that its somethin that u can improve on through practice just like anything and that knowledge allows u see what in your life you should be aiming to improve on.