Where to begin.

[Wake]

To be completly honest, im a total noob. i mean i can pull but the only time i approach is when im pissed. when sober, i can never bring my self to approach any girl hight than a 6. i just dont know were to begin.
what im tryin to get at is.....
am i best sticking to basics for now, the kinda shit thats taught in the mystery method or the rules of the game?

[Blanca]

It depends where you are in terms of personality and personal development. If you can't pluck up the courage to talk to a woman you don't know, I'd recommend Mystery Method as a start point. If, on the other hand, you're a fairly confident guy trying to get a better understanding of social interaction and looking for self-development as a long-term goal, RSD Blueprint is the way to go.

If, as is probably the case, you're somewhere in the middle, have a butcher's at Juggler. He's a sort of halfway house - as a comedian he's a conversational master and uses conversational techniques to steer interactions towards seduction. Check him out, he's very good.

[Status]

Get yourself a wingman and do some mystery stuff

The next person who posts a question thread in the fucking articles/guides section gets banned.

[Retro]

I'd say do as tw1sted says. I started just doing the scripted stuff, just to get used to talking to strangers, as it does take a lot of effort at 1st and it stops you having to worry about what to say. Once you feel happy approaching people regularly and at any time then switch to just being natural.

Hope this helps.

Retro

[Tom]

As POWER STEVE would say...

YouTube - Arnold Schwarzenegger - Do it!

[nova]

Originally Posted by kowalski

I wonder if disposing of AA is even the right way to go. I mean, I'm pretty sure I feel more of a rush than many when I want to talk to a hot girl or say something controversial. I just tend to do it anyway. Then people think I must be ice. I'm not though.

I like those feelings. They're exciting. They make me know that I'm going after something worthwhile. If I was offered everything that excites me and turns me on beyond belief, all the stuff I most desire that excites me and makes my heart flutter and my head spin and my mouth dry up, but first I had to lose all those feelings, have them numbed, then I would turn the offer down. What would be the point?

Inspiring pasage of writing Kowalski. It's true, that very fear of chatting up that hotty, if faced head on can be one of the most satisfying feelings of your life. Compare that to the mundaneness of online dating and you get a picture of what that sense of acheivement means. It's probably the same reason why people do white water rafting, or jump out of planes for a rush!! It's that same rush.

[Status]

I think we need to acknowledge that there is a difference between the excitement of chatting up and pulling girls and AA. I love the unique excitement that only girls can provide, yet I seek to minimise AA.

[whacksmith]

Hey chap.

My own twisted view of where to start comes from my own experience.

I realised that my problems with women were the tip of the iceberg. My real issues ran deeper. I realised that I actually had a generally low level of social skill. My efforts up to now have been on developing social ability and confidence with all sorts of people, not just HBs. It has worked wonders, and I now feel in a position where I can start learning and putting game theory into practice.

I personally recommend making sure you are socially able before working on game. Its a useful skill to develop anyway, as expert social skills are handy when dealing with issues of social proof, or AMOGs.

Also, I personally wouldnt recommend Mystery's stuff to a beginner. This is just my opinion. I am a beginner, and I have read his book. It is fantastic stuff, but the idea of learning routines and tactics whilst still dealing with beginner levels of AA nullifies a lot of the power of Mystery's material. I regard Mystery's stuff as more advanced. Something to put into practice when you are otherwise socially confident. It is so much easier to learn and practice this stuff when you are otherwise comfortable.

I can't vouch for the popularity of any of the stuff I have been reading, since I am new to the community, but I had fun with Joseph Matthew's "The art of Approaching" as a starting point. I also highly rate "The authentic Man program" volume on inner game. This stuff is much better for a noob than trying to start from the highest level.

If anyone agrees or disagrees with me here, please let me know your opinion. I would be really interested to hear what you guys think about this.

Matt

[Shark]

Wake - to take it back to your original question of where to begin, there has already been some discussion on the thread about that...and yes, everyone is different but there are some basics which generally apply to most. However only approaching because/when you're pissed is not giving yourself the best start. Ask yourself why you have to be pissed...is it nerves/AA, is it you don't know what to say, or is it you're scared of rejection?? Once you know the reason why then you can address it more easily.

I don't really go with the HB-numbering because if you rate her as a HB9 then you are giving her high status and this will just fuck your Game up because you're worrying about how hot she is...a girl is a girl at the end of the day - and if you have trouble approaching sober take things really slowly and build up as and when you feel confident. Go into a bar/shoppign centre/coffee shop (whatever is your thing) and start by asking them what time the place shuts - or where is best round here for clubbing (or whatever) start with simple questions designed for a brief interaction that will get you used to chatting to girls sober....then step it up, once you have your answer try and ask another question or initiate conversation - it doesn't matter how long it takes you, because every approach will help build your confidence and make you feel more in control. Message me if you want to chat further bud.

[nova]

Grand advice there Shark. Who needs a scripted opinion opener when you can open with something situational.