Peacocking with grandad jumper

[William Wordsworth]

I have this jumper that looks rather christmasy or sumthing youd wear in Scandinavia.
I put this on specifically to go to the shop down the road as i knew HB5 chatty would comment and i couldnt pass an opportunity to get some much needed practice. so on the 5 minute walk i racked my brains for a story, ran thru a couple of ideas knew it would be something to do with Switzerland and a curse the rest id improv...

so when i got there i walked in alpha'd up giving nothing of my body language away acknowledging nobody, i picked up my 3 large rolls for a £1 (bargin) and headed to the four person que. stood there, I was actually really nervous as i knew i was about to blurt out a load of bullshit to somebody i barely knew. The man in front of me was next

AFC: hi there how are you today (blah blah AFC bullshit)
HB5: blahblah

I was next, i turned and looked at her for the first time and said:

Wordsworth: HI
she looks at my jumper, looks up at me, i feel it coming
HB5: Thats a horrible jumper
(whooo, i thought. bit harsh. I actually kinda like it)
Wordsworth: oh really well, it erm actually very um important, i inherited from a aaa erm swiss in on his death dead
at this point i saw the look in her face of "wtf"
Wordsworth: yer this man in the alps....um lost
at this point i got very quiet and self conscious
Wordsworth: yer this was all that was found of him...
I was flailing, so i through in my trump card...composed myself lead in hid my mouth away from the other customers and in a whisper i said: Its cursed...
HB: Really!
she said with surprise and enthusiasm
Wordsworth: No! you freak (big neg, she deserved it after the jumper comment!)
this point i felt a lot more natural and let out a laugh.
i then went on to tell her i bought it from topman after that my game fell to pieces. However i wasnt trying to game her, my aim was to test material and build confidence, which i achieved, even if i freaked her out. if she asks what i was talking about again, i can completely deny the exchange and move on. done. next.

Wordsworth

[nova]

I'm lost for words...

On a serious note, where'd you get your 3 rolls from for a quid? Sounds expensive to me.

[Blanca]

I'm lost for words too. Instead I'm going to quote from Withnail and I:

"You want workin' on boy"

Thankfully you've come to just the right place.

Also, what in god's name is a roll (other than a gymnastical move)? Do you mean bap by any chance?

[perfecto]

might be these?

[Hustler25]

LOL @perfecto, I thought he meant shit-tickets as well!

Wordsworth, you are a literary genius perhaps next time recit some of your poetry as an opener;

'I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;'

The girls will melt.

On a serious note, don't worry, respect for trying, don't be hitting on them HB5's and below mate, the War Pigs are the worst! Seriously they give you a raw deal, aim a little higher and you'll find your interactions will be alot more pleasant.

[Tom]

Surely that should be

'I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
And opened them with a line about my grandad jumper'

[William Wordsworth]

Grandad jumper is a beast fellas! i opened a two set last night HB9 and HB7

HB7 and HB9: ooo love your jumper
Wordsworth: yer girl! its grandad chic, im representing.
HB 7: You know youre the coolest guy in here.
Wordsworth: totally agree with you.

i went on to do 5 question game with HB9, she loved it but got bored fairly soon and gave me the "phone off". went to open another group, I swiftly realized they were the only HBs in there! dry. so invited HB7 and HB9 back to my mates house for a drink and a smoke. HB7 frothing at the gash. but HB9 had her bitch shield firmly held. tonight i try again.


Wordsworth

[nova]

Originally Posted by William Wordsworth

i opened a two set last night HB9 and HB7

That's more like it... fair play Wordsworth. Grandad jumpers could be the new Ugg Boots.

[Hustler25]

'HB7 frothing at the gash'

HaHa! Love it.

[Blanca]

"Frothing at the gash" is an awesome phrase, beaten only by "ploughing" and "putting a young maiden to the sword".

Anywho, I want to nip your initial write up in the bud lest you, or anyone else reading this get the wrong idea (ie that this was a good way to go about your business). Let me dissect the first approach (to the stock pig in the shop), but first, props for getting back on the horse and having another go. This is half the battle.

1) First and foremost, your reasons for wearing the jumper were all out of synch. Wearing something in order to illicit a reaction from people is not a cool thing to do. It's akin to a bloke walking into a place and deliberately flashing his Rolex. It's lame because reaction-seeking behaviour is needy, and women can smell it a mile off. Wear the clothes, don't let them wear you. For a more in-depth discussion, see A-Train's thread from a while back:

http://www.puaforum.co.uk/pua-genera...what-wear.html

2) You made a mistake opening a 5, for two reasons. Firstly, as a less attractive girl, she will be naturally cynical of any guy hitting on her - she is inclined to think you're taking the piss; "he can't seriously be chatting me up, I never get chatted up". It's her problem due to her (perhaps understandably) low self-esteem. This, however, could be overcome had the second reason not reared its ugly head. This being, I imagine (being as you rated her a 5 and said you only wanted to practice) you weren't attracted to her one bit. So there you are, clearly only interested in boosting your own ego by getting a girl to talk to you under the pretence that you're interested in her. She would've sensed it all over you. Hence, she was particularly dismissive. She could've been ruder, I think she showed considerable restraint.

3) Leading on from point 2) - don't think of these people as "practice". They are real people with real feelings, even ugly or fat girls, and deserve to be treated as such. In future, try to concentrate on people you genuinely find attractive - your chatting them up will be a lot more congruent and they will react better. It won't work out the first few dozen times you try to chat them up, but eventually you'll get it. Don't think you have to practice on some uggos before moving on to the hot babes. Not only are they a completely different kettle of fish to deal with, but you need to accept that whilst it'll take a lot of rejections before you get it right, there are loads of babes out there. Don't be worried about "using up" all the hot girls trying to get it right. They're ten a penny.

4) This is a broad point relating to the whole interaction. You felt that you needed to come up with a cool story to show her how awesome you are. Not necessary. In fact, this did you a disservice - you struggled to come up with "decent material" rather than being honest and authentic.

5) A word on negs. Decidedly uncool. I don't blame you for employing one, after all that's the way MM teaches. Most of us have employed them at some point in our pick-up development and subsequently realised our mistake. Taking value from someone with a neg is an inherently low-value thing to do. Bullying is a particularly extreme form of negging, and bullies are at the other end of the scale from awesome, centred alphas.

There. Rant over. Apologies if it was a little harsh, but I'm all about the tough love. Plus I've got my finals on Monday and am obviously looking for every conceivable way to avoid revision. Back to the grind I suppose...