Stonecastle, yes men outnumber women on dating site but that in itself isn't a disadvantage. You're making it so by, for some reason thinking that these other men are better than you, therefore effecting your attitude which will have a negative effect not only on your profile but on your messages too. Resulting in you only having about 5 dates from 10 year usage.

As daleinthedark says, there's no difference other than there's no face to face interaction until you've set up a date. Attitude is key. If you come across and negative or boring straight away then what is that going to portray? Obvious really isn't it.

I put my first profile ever for online dating up last night and got two messages today. One was a woman looking for sex (it might be a scam but it looked quite real), the other was a very homely girl looking for dates. She looks mentally handicapped.

It doesn't take a genius to work out who I've replied to and what I said. But we'll see what happens.

It was the mentally handicapped girl - dead cert plus they'll suck on anything if you tell them it's sweetie/medicine

How is your online venture going so far?

Sent a few messages, no responses so far.

Them responses will begin to rocket.

Light and playful banter. If you send something risky and they don't reply, don't send them a message changing the topic or whatever. Then after a few days they might reply. Happened before many times. Testing.

They need to get through the other 200 messages in their inbox sent that day first remember. That's if they can be bothered...

Ha that's a fair point.

Of course it is a very big disadvantage! I am so very angry with dating sites because they are such a big con! If men outnumber women on dating sites then it is obviously mathematically impossible for all the guys on such sites to all get women from such sites!

Also as another poster said, it is totally different than in bar, club or even street game as in most bars and clubs the numbers of men to women are roughly equal and on the street we pick up artists have the advantage as most other men do not approach women at all on the street! Yes women get hit on a lot in bars and clubs but because the numbers of both sexes are roughly equal there is therefore equal chance among all men present that they will get off with a woman!

On dating sites because men far outnumber women then the women on such sites will have far more choice and so will obviously choose the best looking and the richest men to go out with. Success on dating sites is nothing to do with attitude, it is purely down to good looks and wealth as the women on such sites receive vast numbers of messages from men, so obviously only choose the best men to reply to and go on dates with! Can't you understand that?

Stonecastle, that sure does sound like approach anxiety you have there...

Do you have a limiting belief or are you making excuses for being bad?