Same night lays - The Alex argument -

[sapmi]

Hi Guys,

I want to spark a mass debate about Same night Lays. I was speaking to Jaz who disagrees with some of the things Alex was saying in the free RSD seminar. So lets get the debate rolling:

"There are two types of ONS game that he talked about:
- Sexual High Risk, High Error Game [Direct, S&A, hardcore escalation, makeout etc.]
- Friendly Low Risk, Low Error Game [Vibing, sharing the moment, not escalating, building sexual tension etc]

- The girls to look out for are the ones that are Quiet and Attentive.

- You need to be aware of Time Frames and Logistics. If you have amazing game, but the girls best friend falls down and cuts her arm badly, then she will see to her friend.

- How to DHV? Beat a congruence test. Just play it out, as in ‘Yeah I said that’ or ‘Yeah I mean that’. Pure unapologeticness. Demonstrates your congruence.

- This talk is assuming that you are inherently higher value than the girl and congruent.

Sexual High Risk Game

- Being very sexual is very hit and miss. You will pull but maybe only 1/10 girls. For louder venues. Its high risk with high error.

- If you are Congruent, Confident, Decisive and Unapologetic all you really have to do is leave when she leaves.

- If you try to pull a girl out of the club to early, you’re going to take the party and arousal away from her. You have to play it out till the end.

-You need to have somewhere to pull to. House, Hotel room nearby, Bathroom, Dark area in club, Car, Alley etc.

-Shock and Awe works because its congruent to who you are as a man…when done with a positive vibe. Positive Dominance.

- Some guys just go to club just before they close, find girls with high buying temperature and “SKO, SKO, SKO…lets get food/taxi/whatever”. Not forcing anything on the girls since they were going to go at that time anyway.

- Girls who tend to be up for ONS are the ones that have pride in themselves. The quietly confident ones. Not the ones who have issues ie the glamour ones of low self esteem ones. Better to go for girls that are more attractive "





Now for low risk method:
" Friendly Low Risk Game

- Counter Intuitive and more effective than most people would think. Low risk, low error.

- Friendly does not mean chode supplicating guy. Friendly is relaxed, positive dominant guy.

- Normal conversation. Natural range of emotions over time during the conversation.

- You will gain mutual trust.

- Difference between friendly and flirty is physicality.

- Be friendly in the way you would talk to your good friends.

- Do not hardcore escalate but have physical rapport. [Alex showed four simple techniques for this but I cant remember them]

- Over time sexual tension builds. She gets curious why you aren‘t trying to pull. Anticipation builds and that exposes her to more range of emotions. Get her alone and you can close.

- Escalation will get you makeouts in the club but it KILLS the sexual tension. Kissing the neck, smelling her perfume builds the tension. However hardcore escalation can allow you to fuck in the club if you have the opportunity to.

- This way is better for getting Day 2’s. If you have already madeout with her and then you tell her you want to meet up, its like having a gay guy want to meet up with you so that he can suck your dick. It can happen but she knows the deal, which is you are primarily sexually focused.

- Fast makeouts not so solid for ONS in loud venues. In a house party, yes!

- Going for makeouts is good for learning stages in the game.

- You wont fuck the girl unless she games you.

- Difference between Neediness and Persistence is: Kissing the mouth (I need you) v Kissing the neck (I want you). Go for the neck or forehead.

Logistics

- Just be there at the end. Stick it out

- Get her number early on. She will then see it through the frame of a guy who already has her number rather than a guy who is trying to get her number.

- Need to have somewhere to pull to

- The way to find out if they are down to fuck is by Screening Questions/Green Lights [There are a lot of these and I don’t remember any except for when a girl says ‘Im really drunk’ to justify for her behaviour or ’My friends just disappeared’]

- You have to take ALL responsibility for her getting laid.

- Jump in a taxi with her at the end of the night

- If they ask why, do not go logical cus they will beat you with logic. Tell them that you have no home because you are Pinocchio or something like that.

- Lets SKO! SKO! SKO! SKO!. They get compelled by the frenzy.

- Persistence beats resistance. They want to make it happen but they want you to take every responsibility for it. “It just happened” Persist with positivity

- Uncomfortable is the key word. If she is uncomfortable, back up. If she’s giggling and testing just persist with positivity.

- Time Frames - Social Time(9 - 11:30), Trench Time(11:30 - 2) and the Twilight Zone(2 - 3). [Different times of the night] Pulling happens towards the end of the night.

- One last set mentality.

- Be friendly to her friends but no physicality
"


So guys, the question is whether this is consistent in your experiences?

[picard]

good post.


i think the summary of the high risk category is pretty sharp tbh, has perhaps a more selective range of targtes, but workd well within those!

i probably think the low risk category is more where i fit in myself, definately better for getting Day 2's i agree with that!

logistics can alway be a challenge, particularly if your away from home, or not as familiar, which a compromise i guess as the further away you are form home, perhaps the more likely you are to meet more interesting and diverse targets?

Picard.

[Blanca]

This has given me a bit of a Eureka! moment - I'm realising that I fit in between the 2 categories and this is why I'm getting flaky numbers.

I've been the friendly chatty guy on the one hand but also the slightly more high-risk "I want to pull you NOW" kind of guy on the other. I've been inconsistent and it's not worked well. Cheers Sapmi it's made me think more clearly

[picard]

i wouldnt go as far to say as 'polar opposites' but a compromise of the two styles would be ideal tbh

Picard.

[jj smooth]

good point jaz.

[picard]

well in fairness, the polar oppposite of someone who is high risk PUAing, is someone who stays in all night, knocking one off to youporn.com... which dont get me wron, can be great fun! haha

lols aside....

low and high profile in this case, arent polar opposites tbf.

[Simply David]

Originally Posted by Jaz

Right?

Damn right!

Good post dude, im gonna leave mine on for 25 minutes tho just to make sure. Xxx

[picard]

30 mins on high heat here tbh