The Natural order of things...

[Hustler25]

After heading out Friday night in Bristol, (for those of you interested in reading how the Bristol crew is developing go to http://www.puaforum.co.uk/field-repo...good-show.html) one of the guys suggested the above topic.

I'm not going to name any names, but the guy I was talking with (admittedly we were both pissed after a night out) seemed abit disillusioned and was clearly unhappy with his performance despite me being impressed with what i'd seen and the potential within him.

Anyway from what I can gather (forgive me like I mentioned, we were talking at around 4.00am both quite drunk) he was suggesting that your game is irrelevant, there is only a natural order to things. I.e. if you are not genetically fortunate physically then girls naturally will not be attracted to you.

I personally do not agree with this, I think this is a victim mentality. If you have not been dealt a decent hand in the 'looks' department what are you supposed to do??.... Roll over and die?! FUCK THAT!!

I don't dispute that if you are a good-looking guy it gives you an edge, abit of a head start (remember though at school it was always the kids shit at sport given a head-start in a race??) but to say it's only the good-looking guys or guys with lots of £££ in their bank accounts get the best girls is madness!

I've heard time and time again by women that they always find attractive men to be boring (usually due to getting by on looks alone and so not having to develop a personality) and so they are generally not interested in them. This is an unhealthy perception to hold in itself, but a contrary belief to the topic of discussion.

So I thought i'd throw it out there into the forum for you guys to discuss, do you think there is a natural order to pick-up/attraction?? or is this purely an ignorant reality conjured up through social conditioning??

[Pavel]

sorry for my spelling but I cannot find my polish- anglish dictonary today.

moste famos PUA- Neil Strauss describe himselv as non atractive . and well to be honyst he is not a very "good looking boy ".

but it is not a big deal as far as you know where and with whom you gaming.

for example (it is my opinion) ,if you are in very loud club , all you can do is dancefloor game .

if there is no chance for conversation, how you want to stand out ?

you are the same as everybody else in this place . and only one thing you have, to comunicate with outside world is your body and how you looks like.

if you are ugly 33 years old man like me i would rather go to difriend club or seriusly day- gaming .

[legend]

This has been discussed before:
Good Looks

[no.fx]

the way I look at it is.....

If you are good looking, you get more positive indicators of interest and dont have to approach in the dark, so to speak

If you average looking, you have to work harder to gain interest and have to have more "game" to approach the sets and make an impression that will spark interest

I have a mate, that tbh is a good looking guy, I have been out with him on a numerous of nights and he never approaches women, they seem to approach him. Does he have game......no, he relys on looks

The whole thing about being a PUA is CHOICE! Its being able to choose your women and not settling for what you can get/ what approaches you. Good looking guys dont choose they settle. Look at Brad from The pick up artist, good looking guy, and had a few gf.......but had no game!

[Pavel]

and for those of you that dont want to spent " long time and an incredible amount of hard work on yourself " I have an idea :just be a gangster

[no.fx]

Originally Posted by kowalski

Pavel,

Most of the guys I'm talking about are ugly as fuck and girls flock to them, these guys don't need to approach at all.


Peace,

kowalski

imo that something entirely different......to me that's in the same category as celebrity's and wealthy men. These guys need very little game as they have power, authority and exclusivity.

Story: I am at bangor uni and here we have an okay rugby team, now to get into this rugby team involves you having to go through an initiation which involves things like swallowing a live gold fish or having lemon and chill in your eyes whilst being stripped naked in from of everyone. From this you get a rugby team tie, now girls flock for these guys, alot of these guys arent good looking and most of them fat however they get some really fit girls, why? they have the tie which is exclusive!

Peace

NO.FX

[no.fx]

the tie thing was more of analogy. I respect you opinion and understand where you are coming from. However I think the whole "women go ga-ga is very circumstantial".

For example: If these gangsta's went to somewhere like mosside or similar place (and for arguments sake weren't know), I wouldn't be surprised if they got attention and respect and the women went "ga-ga"

however,

If they went to somewhere where were that culture and status wasnt the norm, for example: Wilmslow, Alderley Edge, Knutsford, prestbury etc, I wouldnt be so sure they would get that respect unless they has other qualities.

Can you understand where I am coming from?

Peace

Tom

[legend]

Originally Posted by kowalski

Can I understand where you are coming from? Yes. You are coming from a position where you want to have excuses for your failures. That is all.

Explain cos Im confused how you deduce that...! Mind, you probably know Tom better than I do...!

[legend]

Much respect. Muchos Gracias...!!

It is true, looks doesn't matter. I don't consider myself good looking, far from it but I haven't done badly. Example: I was with a HB8 at the weekend

Much success...!

[Tom]

Originally Posted by kowalski

Well done for reading the whole thread Not Tom.

Originally Posted by legend

Explain cos Im confused how you deduce that...! Mind, you probably know Tom better than I do...!

Originally Posted by kowalski

Not being harsh on you specifically Not Tom, it's just you came along and provided the perfect example that I could use to drive my point home against.

Who's this not Tom? Is he my nemesis?

I think this is a pretty complex issue, as K has said it's not just a case of thinking 'What all I have to do is believe, then I'll get what I want? Cool, then I believe.' There is a certain quality that some people possess that makes people want to be around them, like Austin Powers "Women want him, and men want to be him".

This does not mean you have to be a gangster or in a position of power. I know a guy who is a really laid back guy average looking pretty skinny, he has this aura about where you just want to talk to him. On different occasions I have seen people think he had walked in the door then be disappointed because it wasn't him. One was a girl from Mauritius and on another occasion the dad of a friends boyfriend who was visibly disappointed when it was the boyfriend and not this guy, even though the dad is a polite man he couldn't hide his disappointment. The thing is the dad didn't speak much English either so it was not his wit or conversations he had to go on.
He just has this magnetic presence that everything's cool he's here, he's not judgemental or threatening and he doesn't even get much done, completely not what you would expect from or perceive as being an attractive quality.

That's why I think this is complex because it can take different forms he's not gangster or someone who gets stuff done.

I think the ego tries to protect your world view of yourself by giving you reasons and excuses. It's harder than just knowing you should not listen to it, it's trying to break down something that totally controls some people.
I haven't achieved blocking it out yet and I think I have some way to go but knowing what's going on is the first step.