Originally Posted by Jaz
Been thinking about training recently.
I'm a stand up fella, love boxing and muay thai. I've always hated grappling. In the "real world" would anyone consider BJJ or wrestling super effective?
Depends what you mean by super effective. By 'real world' I'll assume you mean the street.
If someone just trained sport jiujitsu and tried to use it in a street situation I'd expect them to get smashed.
Going to the ground in the street is one of the most dangerous things you can do, in my opinion. Especially if your retarded enough to pull guard or something like that. Anytime your back is against the pavement you're in a very vulnerable position. If someone your fighting has mates around you'll just get your face stamped on if you didn't already knock yourself out jumping to the ground. Also just because you know an armbar or a heel hook doesn't mean you can incapacitate someone.
If someone's coked off their tits chances are trying to armbar them will just infuriate them more. Jiujitsu guys also forget that in the street people can bite, pinch and grab your bollocks. There's no better triangle choke escape than grabbing a guy by his balls.
This being said however, most of the street fights I have seen have gone to the floor one way or another, be it from being dragged there, or someone falls over or they get dropped by a punch and the guy then mounts them. In all these circumstances knowing just a little bit of jiujitsu would have helped them. Whether its just understanding the mechanics of getting their body off the floor or the best defensive position they can put themselves in. Knowing a basic mount escape would have saved loads of people taking more punishment when someone is on top of them dropping bombs.
From my own personal experience knowing how to choke someone out has saved me from getting in a fist fight on a couple of occasions. One guy a couple years ago got in my face and said he was going to 'knock me out', straight away I arm dragged him, stepped around to his back and standing rear naked choked him. He dropped to the ground like a sack of shit, his mates and his bird thought he was dead. When he came round he didn't know what had happened, he had a dumb, confused look on his face and promptly fucked off.
Grappling isn't for everyone, but it is a viable and effective form of the Martial Arts. To think otherwise is ignorant and retarded. Even if its something you don't like I'd at least try and understand the rudiments of it, even if its from a defensive point of view such as getting back on your feet as soon as possible if you got taken down.
The way I see it is it's all Martial Arts and knowing it is better than not knowing it, even if its not something you choose to use.
Originally Posted by Jaz
BJJ guys always seem smug as fuck too.
I've noticed this too and I consider myself a BJJ guy. I think a lot of guys that come to BJJ having no prior Martial Arts experience feel like they've been shown some magic red pill with BJJ. When a 60kg guy can train for a year, get a blue belt and can armbar a 90kg white belt they get a weird sense of false confidence. They seem to feel that because of this they are suddenly 10 men in the nightclub. What they forget is that when they arm-barred said white belt it was on the nice soft mats, wearing a gi and the white belt wasn't a pissed up coke head throwing hay-makers from all angles.
I've been guilty of having this mindset in the past, I'm just grateful now that it didn't get me in any trouble at the time. It's a very dangerous attitude to have and a lot of BJJ guys will have a very rude awakening one day.
It also fucks me off how elitist some BJJ guys can be towards other Martial Arts, especially the traditional ones. That being said I've met loads of Thai guys and boxers who have had a similar attitude towards grapplers so it works both ways.