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Default 29-10-2013, 01:07 AM

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I totally recommend Krav for the self defense side of things, best option hands down. I don't know of any Krav gyms in the North East, but the Krav instructor I work with is pretty well connected, I could ask them if there are any gyms or instructors they recommend.
Yes dude please ask them. Even if I end up doing Krav and BJJ it can only be good for me. My self defense is quite poor, granted the last time I was in a fight it was me against 6 other guys but I spent most of the time on the floor, for a good 5 minutes without being knocked out before the lads ran away. Though they didn't break a single bone I felt from that moment on, that I should really work on the area of self defense, as soon as I gain the full confidence level I think I'd be really good.

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What I mean by this is that most traditional style Martial Arts will teach you techniques that have no real world application. Shit like defending against multiple attackers and fending off knife attacks without getting maimed yourself just does not happen. I have seen middle aged overweight women who genuinely believe they could fend off a 22st attacker using some bullshit wristlock that they've only ever tried on a compliant opponent in their tong po wang fu class.

Whilst I wouldn't say BJJ will help you in these situations either it does give you an amazing understanding of body mechanics and how to apply leverage to overcome larger opponents, it will improve your balance and movement which can be essential in certain situations. I personally do it for sport than self defense but knowing something simple like a rear naked choke has got me out of a couple sticky situations when I've been out in the past. The law don't look too favorably on you if you knock seven shades of shit out of someone but if you incapacitate them with a choke and make them go to sleep they don't seem to mind in my experience.

Don't worry about not being a big dude either. Jiujitsu was founded by a 60kg Brazilian dude called Helio Gracie. He was so confident in his technique overcoming his opponents physical advantages he would challenge all comers of all sizes and styles in Gracie challenges. You can see the footage on YouTube today.

I am slightly biased as I love jiujitsu and think everyone should do it but at least try it man and then make your own mind up from there.
Haha yeah dude that is the problem people face if they don't perform skills and the techniques they've been taught in a competitive environment because quite obviously in real world situations, the other person isn't going to be as cooperative as the demo opponent.

To me the law is dog shit anyway. I've had confrontations where the cops basically knock on a few doors, people say they seen shit all and then investigation closed. Most watched country in the world and apparently there "wasn't a camera around that corner".

I looked at some of the videos and read the history dude, it's really quite impressive. Honestly dude, I think I'll try both if I can (depends if Krav is taught near my area).


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You should consider other things as well, e.g. circuit training, which is what I do. They might run that at a local gym or school hall in the evenings. It's a group thing so it's good fun and motivational. It's also quite intense so it gets you fit which gives your confidence a boost. I was there tonight and there was me and another guy and four women. One of the women was chatting me up after the class haha.
I did advanced circuit training a few years ago, 60 minutes, 4 minutes per base, 1 minute rest every 15-20 minutes. The gym is a cool place to meet new people aswell, I'm not currently registered to a gym because I have gym equipment at home but this means that sometimes I lack the motivation since it's at home I just think "I can do it later" whereas if it's a class it gets me out at a certain time and that in turn will give me motivation.


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Default 29-10-2013, 06:40 AM

just do an MMA class

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Default 29-10-2013, 04:34 PM

Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ, Wrestling, MMA.

All are great and more about getting a better teacher than which discipline is better per se.

If you want to learn true self defense then something like Krav Maga or JKD is a better choice.

Martial Arts wise I think a mix between grappling and striking. E.g. Boxing and wrestling or Muay Thai and BJJ. Or vice versa.

Good luck.

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Default 29-10-2013, 04:49 PM

Paul Vunak 4 life.

Paul Vunak Headbutt - Self Defense - YouTube


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Default 29-10-2013, 06:26 PM

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If you want to learn true self defense then something like Krav Maga or JKD is a better choice.
The only form of true self defence is the 100m sprint.
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Default 29-10-2013, 11:29 PM

Phil - I'll be honest dude, I had absolutely no idea there were so many different types of Martial arts, grappling and striking. I thought there was only MMA. But me being a relatively smaller guy (in terms of weight), I thought enrolling for an MMA or boxing class would be near enough laughable.

I know quite a few moves and techniques, years ago I started to teach myself kick boxing but with all the techniques and stuff I learned, they don't mean shit in real world application, as Phenom said in relation to the woman who thought she could fend off attackers.

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The only form of true self defense is the 100m sprint.
Haha it's worked out well for others in the past. For me, I have a weird thing of never giving up. If someone knocks me to the ground, my only thought is to get back up on my feet and repay the favour, I'm resilient and determined. I really believe I can do anything if I work at it.


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Default 30-10-2013, 12:26 PM

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But me being a relatively smaller guy (in terms of weight), I thought enrolling for an MMA or boxing class would be near enough laughable.
Not at all, there are tons of lighter guys who do MMA. In fact I think lighter fighters are generally way more fun to watch. The weight classes go down to flyweight which is like 57 kg, and everyone gets treated exactly the same regardless of your weight class. You've got nothing to worry about.

I love MMA and BJJ as martial arts and having some knowledge and experience of them can be nothing but good for you, but in terms of street fighting both are lacking in quite a few ways.

They can both make you habitually feel a bit too comfortable with going to the ground and looking for submissions, when in most real life situations that's a very bad idea for quite a few reasons. Being sports martial arts they tend to focus too much on 'winning' a fight, whereas in a street fight you're just looking to control the situation to a point where you can get the fuck out of there. You may think you'd behave differently in a street fight regardless of training but these things some reflexes that are hard to break, especially under pressure. Very little in either martial arts is particularly helpful when dealing with multiple or armed opponents.

The main reason why sports martial arts like BJJ, Kickboxing and MMA aren't that useful in the street is because they just aren't fucking brutal enough. Street fights can be dirty as fuck, so there are tons of techniques you might need to use or have to defend yourself from that just plain aren't accounted for in sport fighting. This includes groin attacks, headbutts, eye gouges, strikes to the back of the head, knee stomps, weapons, incidental weapons, multiple opponents, strikes to the throat, limb destruction etc. These come up a lot in street fights. In any fight the person with the most options generally winse, so if you're in a situation where your opponent is a real threat you have to be ready to defend yourself from dirty fighting and fight back as dirty as they do.


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Default 30-10-2013, 03:39 PM

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groin attacks, headbutts, eye gouges, strikes to the back of the head, knee stomps, weapons, incidental weapons, multiple opponents, strikes to the throat, limb destruction etc.
And that's just from the girls.


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Default 24-12-2013, 01:44 PM

How so jaz?


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Default 24-12-2013, 08:27 PM

I always thought it was good under the assumption that Israeli special forces would of been practical. I've never seen it used though.


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