Hello and Merry xmas to everyone,

Haven't written anything on here for ages but just thought I write a little something just to let everyone I am still around.

For those who don't me, which is probably quite a few people on here now, I have been doing game for nearly two years now and I i'd thought i do a little piece on openers.

After two years, the openers I use for mixed sets consisting of two, three, four or more people are:

"Hi, I know this is a little strange but I just wanted to come over and say hello, how is everyone (or you if direct the question just to target which you can do and most of the time its the easiest way)?"

"Hi, we haven't met have we? (You can wait for them to say their name, they usually do) I'm alastair, nice to meet you"

With the second opener although It is a question, you dont really ask it in a quesiton form, you arent saying "Hi, do I know you" cos that sucks.

You are saying, we havent met but now we have cos I wanted it to happen.

They are all you will ever need, ever. I promise you, no matter who you are with, what time of night, the noise level, the environement, how big the set is, how mixed the set is, this is all you will need.

So why do I use these? Well....

They show 100% confidence. They set a perfect frame. They are short and there is no messing around.

They are basically saying hello, I want to talk you and your friends, or maybe just her if say it just to the girl.


I have NEVER been shot day with this opener, ever. Not that I have been with to others but these are certainly what I have the most and quickest sucess with.

Some of you may be saying, well that's all great but then what? What do you talk about after? How do you

Keep the conversation going
Build Comfort
Attraction
Escialte
Close
etc etc etc

I shant go into that now in too much detail if any as this is about openers but I will do later posts on this thread.

For now though, after I say one of the two openers I say.

"So what have you all (or you) been up today?"
"Hows your week been"
"Who are you here with"
"Why are you all (or you) out"

It should just flow from there if you can control the frame.

Im sure there will be questions etc please do post them.

In the next post I do on this thread I'll go into more detail after the initail opening and talk about comfort mainly and then attraction, kino and escialtion etc finally leading to the close and the types of close and how quickly you can get there, you'd be suprised, trust me

Hope you are well

Ali

Isnt that demonstrating lower value by coming up to the set direct? and showing a keen interest in them... How does that work with a 9 or 10.. since they probably get approached directly a dozen times a day?

I often opt for an indirect approach of me casually walking by and happen to need a female perspective or something in that nature; where my whole body language and mannerism shows no strong interest in the set but rather me being social and of high value and the set just happened to be in my path.

I know you have more knowledge and experience than i do so i would like your perspective to why you opted for a more direct approach as you have mentioned in your post above.

Thanks

if they think ur nice looking, u can just say

ur fit, have a drink with me!


and nothins changin the fact, all PUA is about, is getting them attracted, then its over.

the rest of the bollocks is bollocks

Hi from a fellow ‘Cheltonian’.
I liked your post very much – the assumption that you ‘ought’ to introduce yourself to people or that you ‘ought’ to know each other creates quite a powerful frame.
My (similar) way of approaching these kind of situations is to ‘imagine you’re the host’. Back in the day, I've used this tactic fairly effectively in the legendary Retreat (legendary if you live in Cheltenham, that is ...)

e.g. ‘Hi, I thought I’d come and be sociable / be polite / say hello for a few minutes’ (the ‘few minutes’ bit gives you an inbuilt FTC)
or even just ‘Thank-you for coming’ (perhaps with a compliment about adding ‘glamour’ to the venue).

You’re right that this enhances your status and is all part of ‘taking control’ in social situations. In my AFC youth I would have followed this up with the offer of a drink but now I know better ...
This works fine even if you’re in a place you’ve never set foot in before, but the converse role is the ‘stranger in town’ seeking local guidance – which can also work well.
Good luck and keep the flag flying.

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the posts and comments.

Bazuka: I use to use indirect all the time, I'd never use direct but I found it took time to transition, you'd get asked "is that really why you came over to us?" or they say why didn’t you just come and say hi, or something like that.

Although you may think 9 or 10s get opened direct all the time, the majority of the time they dont and guys use useless excuses or bump into them or some shit like that. Openers are used to open, that's it, to start a conversation, basically it doesn't really matter what you say as long as it works for you and you do it confidently.

Going up to a girl, a two set or a large group and saying hi or something similar shows amazing value, no one does it, ever and from that you enter the set as a high value man, not the next guy who says "do u know where the best club is?" or "can I get your opinion on something?". I’m not saying indirect is bad but I just think direct is better and faster.

Phil: You have it spot on I think, once you have attracted them to you, that’s it, pick up really is very simple. Open. Attract. Close

Jamesmlb: Absolutely right, saying we should know each other does create a powerful and importantly an attractive frame to girls, its confident and this is obviously attractive.

To everyone

I will say that during any opener, the importance is to display yourself as an attractive man to that group or girl.

This is done by many many things, ill try and list a few of them in no particular order

a) Standing tall
b) Speaking confidently but NOT arrogantly
c) Asking them questions in a timely manor
d) Look at there eyes when talking to them.
e) When they are talking look at their eyes and body if u have got good iois, i mean literally look them up and down, this is very attractive to girls if done right.
f) Showing that you are with friends
g) telling them your job, hopefully it isnt shit, only do this if they ask, the key is get them asking more and more questions, this shows interest and your answers will build attraction

I think i may have gone slightly off topic there, no matter, hopefully you get the idea.

Im going to talk briefly about iois now and how important they really are and what you can do with them.

When you approach the set, whether its a two set or five set, if they or most of them smile when you are approaching this is an ioi, they are glad you are there. This is good!

If you go over and they talk first this is very very good!

They look away slightly, touch their hair when u go over or during the open or first 15 secs this is good.

If they touch u after the opener or in the first minute or so for any reason this is good.

If they ask you any and i mean any question this good, we dont talk to ppl we dont want to.

if they keep eye contact with u, this is good

if they turn to talk to away from their friends or just towards u, this is good.

Now, u maybe thinking ok, great, what I do with these iois, well.....


If a girl is smiling when you are talking to them, touching their hair, is facing u, asking you questions, you can escalate through kino very very quickly.

I show you a couple of examples I’ve done and still do now.

Open: Hi, we havent met before have we?
girl: No, (smiling) my name is Lucy, (holding out her hand)

These are MASSIVE IOIs I mean HUGE

Me: (shake hand and kiss on both cheeks at the same time, dont let go of her hand)
wow, youve got really soft skin
Girl: Thanks so have you, (smiling)

Me: I dont want to let go of u

Girl: Ok

Me: I know we have literally just met and I cant believe im saying this but I really have to kiss you (moving your hand up her arms, if she doesnt move your are in)

Girl: OK (sometimes they say nothing here)

Me: (make eye to mouth contact with my eyes, lean in) kiss

Done

Now im not saying this happens every time, far from it but It shows you that big iois can mean u can move things forward very very quickly, no fucking comfort, story telling or any of that shit, just get on with it, she really likes u, why waste time and loose her interest, be a man and do what she wants u to do and fast.

Another, example, less and not a big iois and no k close

Open: Hi, I just had to come over and say hello, hi

Girl: Ok, Hi

There are no iois here, no smiling, no touching of hair, not much eye contact and no question

Do you see the difference and how important it is to pick on the iois? Its huge

Me: So hows your week been? (you can say weekend if its mon or tues)

Girl: Good thanks (blah blah I did this etc etc) How about u?

Me: yeah great thanks, work has been busy, seen a few friends etc

Here I am showing I have friends and that I like work and Im busy = value Im also prompting the next question, what do u do for work 

Girl: what is it u do?

Me: Im "insert role", I work in “insert job”

Girl: wow that sounds interesting (touching hair)

The iois pick up, she is smiling, her body language total changes for the better, she is asking questions, touching her hair blah blah blah

I continue to explain exactly what I do, ask her what she does, we have a bit of laugh together and about 4 mins in, I say well this has been great can I get your number so we can meet for a coffee or something?

Girl: yeah sure, that sounds great

Me: (this is something I say every time) you are going to have to help me spell your name,

Girl: oh its….

This fills an awkward silence when you are getting your phone out and going to the address book

Done

Hope this helps everyone and ill do another post in a few days/a week

Thanks for reading and please do ask questions

Hi Tony77,

Excellent points, couldnt agree more Thanks for the comments