Gift Horses...and pot luck.

[Joker]

You know, When sometimes you just 'have' a girl at 'hello'. When it's nothing to do with your skills/talents/charms/game. When you walk up to the fruit machine throw your first 20p at it and it just pays out the jackpot right there and then...

...what do you do? Always cash it in? Or do you actually find it boring and a turn off?

Years ago I'd have thanked my lucky stars anytime this happened. And I'd be always ready to go like a fireman on alert for this kinda thing. These days I find it to be such massive turn off. Last few times that girls have just jumped on me like this my hardware's remained firmly on standby, no signs of life at all in the old boxer short department. It's almost like regardless of what she looks like I'm insulted that she hasn't demanded I atleast TRY and show my worth and EARN the right to bust a nut across her tits...? Does that sound really gay?

I want a girl that CHALLENGES me and that wants to be SEDUCED, that gets 'it'!

If she drops her knickers at 'hello' it's like I could have just been any old cunt and being made to feel like any old cunt isn't ever a good thing IMO even if your getting a free and easy fuck out of the deal.

Thoughts?

[CovertOperation]

Originally Posted by Joker

Thoughts?

With abundance of options comes the ability to choose. With the ability to choose comes the need to select using criteria. Selection criteria when looking for a woman, in a world of abundance, would surely include a criterion that she won't sleep with just anyone, or else you're really only going where some other guy has been the night before.

In short - your self-value is rising, and with it are your standards. This is probably a good thing, although don't get too picky

[sapphire]

Originally Posted by Joker

Thoughts?

You've come to value the process (seduction) more than the result (company of a woman). Its all a bit fucked up.

[Joker]

Originally Posted by kowalski

Yes, it is pretty gay.

You don't seduce the girl. She is already in to you, or not, right from the off. Almost always.
All that stuff between her saying 'hello' and later 'cum on my tits' is not really a seduction. You are just filing time by doing a mating dance based on social norms with each other that serves neither party, who both just want to fuck.

Utter nonsense.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Joker

Utter nonsense.

defo not utter nonsense.

a girl knows within 5 seconds if she would fuck you....how you act in-between is just solidifying that .. or... changing her mind to a negative.

if she doesnt fancy u, ur advances will be labeled as seedy

if its in a social situation...and he isnt attracted to you.... it takes days or weeks, months or years for them do change their first impression.


walking up to a girl who thinks ur unattractive... then GAMING them into wanting to fuck you is VERY VERY VERY VERY rare... and drink plays a huge part

[Joker]

Originally Posted by Phil

defo not utter nonsense.

a girl knows within 5 seconds if she would fuck you....how you act in-between is just solidifying that .. or... changing her mind to a negative.

if she doesnt fancy u, ur advances will be labeled as seedy

if its in a social situation...and he isnt attracted to you.... it takes days or weeks, months or years for them do change their first impression.


walking up to a girl who thinks ur unattractive... then GAMING them into wanting to fuck you is VERY VERY VERY VERY rare... and drink plays a huge part

Ok. So how is 'solidfying that' different to seduction? Isn't turning those that 'would' fuck you into those that 'did/do' what it's all about? And doesn't that take skill and social intelligence/charm etc...?

And also if a girl finds you aesetically pleasing on a first impression it's only a 'maybe', it's only a foot in the door right? it's not a 'yes take me now'. More like a license to TRY and seduce imo. And I think most women without deep lying prejudices or weird hang ups or unrealistic specifics of type are generally OPEN to being seduced by any even-featured bloke in half way decent shape that knows what he's saying and doing...?

Also what do you mean by a girl thinking your 'unattractive'? When is it genuine total repulsion and when is it a bitch shield, a defense mechanism or something else that can be worked through? Surely you only figure that out by gaming through it? And you only get through it more often the better your game/experience?

First impressions are just that imo. First impressions I reckon tend to be a 'hard no' (very rare), 'a maybe' (most common)....and what was the subject of this thread (a 'HARD yes'/gift horse)...

Make sense?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Joker

Ok. So how is 'solidfying that' different to seduction? Isn't turning those that 'would' fuck you into those that 'did/do' what it's all about? And doesn't that take skill and social intelligence/charm etc...?

And also if a girl finds you aesetically pleasing on a first impression it's only a 'maybe', it's only a foot in the door right? it's not a 'yes take me now'. More like a license to TRY and seduce imo. And I think most women without deep lying prejudices or weird hang ups or unrealistic specifics of type are generally OPEN to being seduced by any even-featured bloke in half way decent shape that knows what he's saying and doing...?

yes, and again this validates k's point, they already decided your worth fucking, all you need to is not be a retard & follow the abc's and you home free... which is what negates the PUA magic bullet crap. There is no reason to go all round the houses

with 5 negs,
4 time restraints,
3 DHVs,
2 magic tricks
& a partridge in a pear tree.

Originally Posted by Joker

Also what do you mean by a girl thinking your 'unattractive'? When is it genuine total repulsion and when is it a bitch shield, a defense mechanism or something else that can be worked through?

I just mean not sleazy, or ugly etc.

i know alot of girls just hate bein chatted up, no amount of perfect openers etc will change it. infact, the only way of getting them is getting into a convo naturally, and if directly approached will fuck you off...

and this is coz alot of lads over time make them think lads who just walk up to u are nobheads. what i do, mostly is make it look like an accident that we started speakin, i.e. walk past them after the toilet or somethin, if they wanna speak to you, they will make it clear as you walk past. or just speak to the ugly mate, or male friend & piggy back.

what most people need to realise, that once ur past hello with a smile, you know if she is interested, if she isnt... (and there could be a million reasons that are not to do with u that she isnt)

then your just coming across as a leech by TRYING to game her. let it go, if your being attractive to her, you will just know it.

i never make a move on a girl unless i know she is having it, u just learn to know when it feels right, its a big fat mating dance as K said.

if a girl isnt giving me signals, then its not gonna happen, coz i wont persue it... coz i cant be assed with either

a, hard work wer it wont happen

or worse


b, feelin like im chasing.

just be confident when you think... "she is havin this from me here" then over time u learn to tune in to what girls wanna know & what dont

you will also notice by not chasing the ones u think are not interested... they seem to grow interest after u dont show interest.

[maestro]

Originally Posted by Phil

follow the abc's

what are these specifically? ;-p

Originally Posted by Phil

what i do, mostly is make it look like an accident that we started speakin, i.e. walk past them after the toilet or somethin, if they wanna speak to you, they will make it clear as you walk past. or just speak to the ugly mate, or male friend & piggy back .

I thought you were mega direct in your approaches, like "You're coming back to mine and we're having sex!"?

Originally Posted by Phil

just be confident when you think... "she is havin this from me here" .

I liked this. But...

Originally Posted by Phil

then over time u learn to tune in to what girls wanna know & what dont.

What do you mean by this?

I met a chick in my gym class a couple of weeks ago and we hit it off straight away. I got the sense that she was into me very quickly. Man flu prevented me from seeing her earlier in the week. Hoping to see her this week with the intention of 'progressing' things. I think she's really cool (high praise coming from me) so I'm keen to nail the chance (if it is indeed a 'chance'). Anyway, I get the sense that this discussion is somehow relevant to me at this time. Cheers.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by maestro

I thought you were mega direct in your appraoches, like "You're coming back to mine and we're having sex!"?

ye... but this is after ive been chattin to them. walkin up to a random girl & saying that wont work often...

Originally Posted by maestro

What do you mean by this?

u will think some girls like u & they dont, but eventually u just get better at noticing signals when u move on what you think are signals.

Originally Posted by maestro

I met a chick in my gym class a couple of weeks ago and we hit it off straight away. I got the sense that she was into me very quickly. Man flu prevented me from seeing her earlier in the week. Hoping to see her this week with the intention of 'progressing' things. I think she's really cool (high praise coming from me) so I'm keen to nail the chance (if it is indeed a 'chance'). Anyway, I get the sense that this discussion is somehow relevant to me at this time. Cheers.

next time, tease her a bit... tell her u seen her lookin at ur bum in the mirror. then gauge a reaction.

then say, if your out this weekend, wanna meet up for a drink... then smile & say... u probably need a diet coke and give her a little teasing nudge or push or little touch.

this way your not gettin completely blown out coz ur in ur class with her!


if she isnt interested she will say "im not out"

if she does she will either say yes.... or im not out but i am out BLAH BLAH

then u say, cool ill get ur number off u after class. ( DO IT B4 CLASS IF YOU CAN, BE ASSED WITH SPENDIN THE WHOLE CLASS STRESSIN URSELF OVER WHAT UR GONNA SAY)

then just say cool, give me ur number we can sort it. just cool 4 school!

either way whos assed if u get blown out... NOBODY but u

whos assed if you get her number U... the only person who is assed abar ur gettin blown out is u so get over it. there is no PROGRESSION like the books say. if she likes you, she already knows it.

get it done

[Joker]

Originally Posted by Phil

yes, and again this validates k's point, they already decided your worth fucking, all you need to is not be a retard & follow the abc's and you home free... which is what negates the PUA magic bullet crap. There is no reason to go all round the houses

But...This is easier said than done. This essentially is what seduction IS. A free lunch/gift horse IMO isn't the same thing as a girl that's attracted to you 'in theory' (*if you don't be a retard and don't blow it)...a gift horse is a girl that's gonna give you a blow job (and whatever else) EVEN if you ARE a retard...because she's already decided she needs a cock that night and already decided yours will do.

I agree with most of the rest of your post, but I still maintain that there's a subtle difference here.