Transitioning from the Kiss to Sex

Its been long week and by saturday I was feeling pretty knackered!! But after a can of redbull and a prep talk decided to go out. Met with Rai, Deitus , Frenchkiss, and a few others in central and after struggling to find somewhere that would let us in we decided to got to Zoo Bar in Leicester Square ( absolutely shocking venue but it was getting late!! )

Me and Deitus had met earlier and had a beer in a local pub to discuss tactics for the night before heading to the main event. I had also done a few cold approaches in the street whilst waiting for the guys to turn up so was feeling pretty pumped by the time we got into the club!

The night started pretty slow. There were not very many sets and those that were there consisted of mainly guys. I did the normal warm up by talking to several groups just introducing myself to them to get into a social frame.

We were having a debate about whether it is worth doing this. I definately think so as it INCREASES your SOCIAL PROOF- Also if you are sarging alone it means you can build up your friends and find wingmen.

Highlight of the evening: Kiss Close Hot Californian Chick!

So anyway the highlight of the evening for me was pulling a hot girl from california. She was giving me IOI's for quiet a while so I went over to her, high 5'd her then span her round several times. She was giggling hysterically and loving it so I thought I would just jump straight in and just said " On a scale of 1-10 how good a kisser are you? " she replied " lets find out... but not here as my friends are just there" ... Isolated her by taking her to the dancefloor then kissed her. After we kissed I talked to her for a while and teased her about her accent then made my way back to the other guys.

This girl was hot!! and had a very sexual vibe about her and I think that I should have gone for a SNL however need to work on my closing tecnique for this. She was going back to California today so no chance of a day 2.

After this also Kclosed another girl with massive knockers but probably only a 5 / 10. Again used the same Kclose line which shows it works anyway.


Areas To Improve:

1) The Kclose worked brilliantly but I need to work on transitioning from Kclose to Sex ( preferably same night ) - Any ideas on this guys?

Agape, very nice work with the rapid use of "On a scale of 1-10 how good a kisser are you?" having detected a lot of IOIs. I need to keep that one in mind. I used some line like that earlier last year but since forgot all about it. We should have crib sheets!

Transitioning from Kclose to Sex, with tourists who are flying home the same weekend

A while back in Camden, I had a same-night f-close of a sexy tourist who, like your Californian chick, was getting a flight home the next day (Sunday) with her pal. (Well, flight home early the SAME day as it was already way past 2 a.m. on the Sunday)

This one stood out as I REALLY had to work at convincing her to come back to mine.

(The context: We'd already been doing kissing and kino while dancing and had been hanging out for [very roughly] an hour)

In an quieter area where you could easily talk and hear each other over the music, it was just me, my wingman (keeping her friend busy) and the two tourists.


In a non-threatening cheeky and very calm, non-rushed way, I just REFUSED to take no for an answer!

This did not come across as desperate (AFC) as this chick was already very into me, we had been kissing, had a sexual vibe, so well.... why hang back?

I went into salesman mode.

This was an epic battle of wills over ten minutes...


Over the course, from her comments here and there, she was concerned about:

a) being on time for leaving my place to catch her flight EARLY the next day (knowing where the hell she was / having stuff in hostel room packed for flight / leaving on time)

b) didn't know London / being in a strange place and safety (I couldn't go to where THEY were staying, as it was a hostel with the big shared rooms)

c) what her friend would think


So, really, it was getting past all her practical objections in a LOGICAL way, while also amping up the SENSUAL part. The sensual part included....

1. just how great the f*cking would be ---- (whispering all this stuff in her ear, including how she'd feel)

2. how much she deserves it / "you deserve it" (as she'd broken up from some guy recently and had been upset)

3. just how great the f*cking would be ---- (whispering all this stuff in her ear, including how she'd feel)

4. "i know we'd be good together" + hold the eye contact

5. "we only have tonight!"

Rebus

Went out with Krisdude last night around Leicester Square.Think that we both had a really good night despite not closing any numbers or getting kcloses.

Something I have noticed over the past few weeks is that the more I sarge the more my social calibration comes into play. I opened probably around 7-8 sets tonight and didn't use a canned opener on any of them however in most of the sets managed to reach hook point without being blown out. One thing that I did try that worked really well was a role play where we pretended that we were all going to form a band and that we could "sit on stools with our back to the stage and spin around" with a couple of sets the girls loved this stuff and also after ejecting from the set it created great call back humour " OMG you guys again... hang on a minute I haven't spoken to Simon cowell yet!!

Funny Highlight:

We met a crazy girl wearing a green hat and a V for Vendetta mask in Porterhouse!! ( no kidding! ). Opened her with " I love your hat" she proceeded to tell us a story about a finger puppet she had made called "Gunter" who needed a girlfriend. I made a girlfriend for the finger puppet out of a chip ( called it "Chippolina" ) she was getting really sexual and wanted to make sure that the chip had orifices in the right places!! Really bizarre interaction and me and Kris both thought she might have been on something as she was way too into that finger puppet!! V. funny although she wasnt hot enough for either of us to want to take it anywhere.

Overall had a good night and only had 3 beers!

Agape, enjoyed your report.

heres my thoughts...

i agree with this, always good to set a platform from which you can work from. When my wingman and i go on an intended sarge, we always have a warm-up pub, where its all about strategy, having the first drink, stretching our legs so to speak, so that were warmed up conversationally for when we get into the 2nd location, where the Sarge begins....


this was a good gutsy direct approach! seems it worked well, and i think the relocation after she was near her friends was well executed... i myself have had this scenario countless times, and it can sometimes be enuff to break the rhythm of your approach.. so well handled.

Californian Girls are dead sexy tbh!



...all good practice...


Escalation is something which can range in difficulty, depending on the target.
I think that in your case, with the american chick leaving the next day, quick almost ruthless escalation would have probably been the best method. After the K-Close, perhaps emphasising your conneciton with her and being gutted its 'the last time you will ever see each other' might be a good angle if you get into this scenario again?!

I often find that the best instances of going from K-Close to F-Close tends to be on a day 2. For some reason, which i dont fully understand, i cant seem to eascalate all the way on the first encounter. I beleive i need a bit of breathing space and time to develop a strategy for escalating to the F-Close on the day 2. Afterall, on the day 2, you are perhaps more likely to be in control... you can pick the location, from the off, and have time to learn more about the girl so that you can press the right buttons, so to speak...

...i have in some instances managed to F-Close on the first encounter... but this was years ago, and i find it difficult to remember exactly how i did it... i seem to remember just being extremely cocky, and perhaps lucky?

Anyways, again, good work and hope you like the feedback!

Picard.

It sounds like you handled this pretty well. But I don't think you necessarily have to work as hard as this. Remember: You set the boundaries.

Points a., b. and c. of your post, her initial resistance and reasons for not wanting to go back to yours, are just expressions of her slut shield - the defence mechanism most girls have which allows them to maintain the frame 'I am not a slut'.

The way to get round this is to lead in everything you do with her. You shouldn't have to convince a girl to come home with you. You should lead her to a situation where she'll be back at yours whilst sidestepping her slut defence.

So, after a while, you decide its time to take her home. You take her hand and lead her from the club.

HB: Where are we going?

PUA: I'm going to treat you to a cup of my delicious popcorn tea.

HB: I have to pack, I gotta fly tomorrow.

PUA: Yeah you do! You're such a doofus for bringing so much stuff travelling. How do you take your tea by the way?

HB: I'm not sure, I don't know where we're going.

PUA: We're going to this really flashy, amazing, trendy part of the city called Brixton. I'll show you where the riots were a few years ago - that was a blast.

HB: But my friend...

PUA: Ok, well I guess she can come too, but she shouldn't expect my buddy to let her smooch him, he's a top feller.

HB: You know I don't do one night stands...

PUA: Sex? Ew, what do you take me for?! That's disgusting. If you weren't so moody I'd banish you right now.


And so on. Lead, show her the way, and 90% of the time she'll follow. Think of the psychology of it: when she is led, she can follow, and it isn't her decision. Hence, she's not a slut.

When you say 'So, you wanna come back to my place?', that asks her to make a decision. And her decision will have consequences for her self perceptions. Don't make her make that decision. Make it for her.

^ That's a great post!

Sarge Report:

Me and Juice went out last night in Soho for a Thursday night sarging session. Went to Zebrano on Greek Street. The bar was pretty empty when we arrived with only 3 sets of 2's. Swiftly opened them just using situational stuff. The first set hooked quite well and went smoothly however was not very hot so made my escape. Then opened a two set that turned out to be part of a 15-20 set. This was quite a weird one as they were actually two companies out on quite a formal drinks networking event!! Some interesting shit happened though in two places:

Example 1

Location: Zebrano Bar
Target: Two Set sitting in a large group of males

1: Opener ( Blah blah blah)
2: Two girls seem interested however not quite hooking- ( Think in hindsight this may have been down to the logistics- The set had been a walk up and also I didn't realise that they were part of a larger group so the approach must have been quite obvious) - I later found out that they didn't really know each other at all and that they were clients of each other which could explain the formal responses!!

3. Juice "Wingman" enters the set and engages the guy to the left of me. After a while I get drawn into the conversation with this guy and we talk about work e.t.c. We find out that they are Journalists working for a large magazine / publishing house.

4. The two set who initially had been quite cold are suddenly much more interested now as they thought we were friends with the guy. The set reopens and flows much more smoothly after this.

Thoughts:

By engaging the male friend of the targets in conversation we were suddenly not seen as "pickup guys" but as friends within the social circle. This increased our social value.


We opened a few other sets in Zebrano including several really really hot Swedish club promoters ( I need to work on the hired gun game! ) before realising that we had pretty much opened every set in the club and would have to move on. Walked down the street to O'Neil's where another interesting interaction happened:


Example 2:

Location: O'Neils - Soho - Dance floor

Target: 5 Set with one hot girl.

1) Opener - Opened by asking them when the band is playing are they any good e.t.c.
2) Hot girl is trying to blow us out - very cold American, she doesn't know when they are playing e.t.c. Very cold body language. She deliberately turns her back and walks out of the set.
3) Rather than giving up ( tempting!) I carry on with the two friends who are much more friendly and responsive. We have a bit of a laugh and a joke around.
4) Hot bitch girl sees us getting on well with her friends and immediately tries to come back into the set. She is much more responsive now and is actually working for our attention.

Thoughts:

This is a classic example of engaging the ugly girls prior to the hot one. The interesting thing was that the hot girl actually physically left the set however didn't want to look like a loser without her friends so was drawn back into the set. When she saw that her friends thought that we were ok she came back to try to get some attention for herself!


Overall a great night. We both number closed although no KClose this time. Definite improvements.

REVIEW:

1) Opened about 10 sets last night- Good result

2) Need to be more logistical about opening large groups. For instance with the large group in example 2 I opened the "hot girl" first. I think that in hindsight it would have worked better if I had opened the ugly chicks first to make the hot one work for attention ( rather than giving her the power to leave the set). Also in example 1 I think it would have been worthwhile assessing the logistics of who to approach first however I am still trying to follow the "3 Second Rule" and tending to approach first/ think later!!

3) Find a bar in central London that does NOT have a NO HATS policy!! :-)