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Never really had this one before, so I wanted to see what people thought about it.

Was having quite an enjoyable chat with a rather adorable young lady earlier in town today. Opened about as direct as you can by telling her outright that I thought she was adorable, and she loved it. After chatting for a few mins, I asked her if she wanted to go for a coffee, and after some hesitation she told me she had a boyfriend that she loved very much and would not be able to cheat on him because, well she was a nice lass, fair enough. However, we chatted a bit more and it started to get to a point where I was gonna leave it alone and be on my way, but she blatantly didn't want me to go and wanted to carry on chatting, which was cool but it got to a point where I just thought 'well you've clearly stated that this is not gonna happen so I actually wanna move on and find another girl that doesn't have a boyfriend', and I made it pretty obvious by killing the tone of the conversation, but I could tell she was more than happy to satnd there chatting and so I entertained her for a little while longer and in the end went for the number, which she reluctantly gave me.

So, I'm not sure what to make of it cos if it's not gonna happen then i don't even wanna waste my credit, but I'm really not sure to be honest. I think if I could play this right she might be up for a meet. And yes I know she's got a boyfriend but show me a hot girl that hasn't.

nice job on the approch man, i suck at day game,

sounds like she has been in this relationship along time and they are going through some rocky times maybe the spark they once had everyday has been reduced to once a week and now he has her in the bag stopped showing her the attention he did in the early stages,

think if i was in your shoes i would just drop her a text along the lines of (hey drop me a text when you fancie a coffi) then carry on having fun.

who knows you might get a text in a few weeks or months.

TorchedFrog's suggestion about texting her is spot on. She can be a "back burner" for the future. When you have made a GREAT impression on her and in the future when things dont work out with the bf, who knows, she might get in touch with you...!! And/or a weekly text to say hello and maybe a friendly coffee, go a long way in building attraction...! It is game on as long as she hasnt blown you out...! We all should have back burners...! Nice one with the day game. Much Respect!

Thanks guys. My game started to get pretty solid today, more so than ever I think. Let me assure you though I got blown out HARD more than once. I got blown out in Primark big time by this woman who said rather agressively 'I'm married leave me alone you little shit' HAHAHA was my reaction. It was literally just too embarassing to deal with so I just started pissing myself. And I opened a deaf girl!!! No shitting you I actually opened a deaf girl! She was hot too.
Good day all in all though. Two phone numbers and some serious progression with my inner game.

Yeah I'm deffo gonna text her. Probs what you said TF. Just let her know that I'm here if she wants me (ohhh yes I am). She is pretty fine I'm getting a fucking semi on just thinking about her fine ass. :D

Whoop! Whoop! Nice one SJ! as TF says just drop her text, you've nothing to lose and potentially alot to gain by just being speculative. Obviously nothing intense, overbearing or too commital on her part.....you've been in this game long enough now to realise that.

Also, since when have you been doing day game??

i laughed my ass off at the deaf girl, i'm going to use that as an opener tonight but put me in your shoes, maybe improv should start running lessons on sign langauge.

I'd text her... HB usually have HB friends...

Have just been making a few approaches in the day when I've been out for whatever reason, but this was my second day actually out day gaming. I think I actually am starting to like it, a lot more so than night game. Girls are just a lot friendlier in the day, and you don't get the usual cock block from the mates like you do in night game. I'm just worried that if I do it for long enough I might start to hit on the same girls. Bristols not that big, I'm always bumping into people.

Man...it was funny! I actually tried carrying on, but she wasn't up for it. Now that would be a challenge. :cool:

Bristols not that big? its freaking huge! last time i was down there it was anyway, i'm coming down there soon for a invite only party....... i'll pm the details soon :)

i suppose if you can open a deaf girl and pull, you know your inner game is sorted

in marrage they swore to god,

allthough not religous i'm not taking chances on upsetting him

(if it was me your reffering to i cant remember that post)

I think there is a difference, depending on how much you value marriage I suppose. People get into relationships knowing full well that they're not intending to spend the rest of their lives together. When you get married that's the deal.

That's not to say that I don't agree with what your'e saying Kowalski, cos actually I do. If as she says they have a good thing going on and they do love each other, I can assure you I would not go any where near that. Unfortunately for me I have a conscience.

Damn straight :p

Not sure enough to debate on this one. All I know is marriage is a life commitment, and a relationship is not. I would have therefore said that marriage holds more value, but I'm fairly sure that this could be proved wrong.

By the way, if you say that you wouldn't be willing to get married to your girlfriend, and considering the fact that you are active on a PU forum and so blatantly are interested in seeing other women, don't you find that situation a bit morally questionable? I don't know the situation, so pardon me if I'm wrong, but is this not the same as this girl cheating on her boyfriend?

I think that's more of an example rather than K's position although if you hit on jynx I think he might get possessive.

Adding another angle...

My mrs got chatted up the other day got asked for a number and gave him a made up one, so you might want to check it's actually the right one.

Only way of checking would be to ring her, which I'm not gonna do cos I know there's a good chance she wouldn't answer anyway. I text her last night with no reply, but I didn't set out for one, so who knows. maybe she'll text me in a months time telling me how she's split up with her boyfriend, or maybe she wont. I'm easy either way.

I feel like I do have a valid argument for this, but don't feel confident enough to find the right words. Maybe I'll get back to you on this.

I think it's fair enough having a girlfriend without having any intention of staying with her by the way, and likewise, so long as you state this from an early point, but in my experience girls tend to be ok with this until your'e out shagging other women, and then it's not cool anymore.

Let me explain my position cos I think K was referring to my other response on a thread about sleeping with a married woman. I too don't have the intention of making out wit a girl in a relationship. When I say back burner, I meant to say in a 'friendly' kinda way. I don't see anything wrong with that. The friendly weekly text of saying hello or hanging out now and again for a coffee and a chat. I have a very special hot friend who is happily married and now heavily pregnant. We have lunch together everyday. I remember approaching her 1 lunch time last year. We chatted for 1 hr. She gave me her number altho she told me she is married. Nothing else gonna happen whilst she's married, we just enjoy each other's company...!

Yeah there is. BT can take you to court and attempt to get a life times worth of payments out of you, Sky TV cannot. Does that make it any more morally questionable? .....No :confused:

I've been wrestling with this moral dilemma lately and still I don't know exactly which camp im in. I guess for me it depends on your intentions, if you know a girl is married/in a serious relationship and all you want to do is fuck her and then forget her for me that is wrong. Because your brief selfish act can be potentially destructive having long-term implications on the girl and indirectly on the guy she's with.

However I think if you genuinely like the girl and you seek a longer term investment with her and if you feel/know she likes you back then I find that more understandable to pursue. Think about it, many relationships become routine and stale after a while, the spark has gone and their relationship merely exists rather than living it to the full. That is sad. By perhaps getting involved with her whilst being mindful and respectful of her own moral dilemma allowing her to become accustomed and associated with you at her own pace is the possibly the best way to handle it.

There is no pleasant way to end a relationship. However your involvment in ending a relationship between two people could be the catalyst to allow both the girl and guy in the previous relationship to move on to better and more satisfying things. Chances are they may look back at your act and say 'That was for the best'.

We all know and see girls in relationships they are not satisfied with, they may feel compelled to stay in an unfulfilling relationship due to moral, cultural obligations or simply because there are no other offers on the table. Instead they bumble through life with blinkers on, disatisfied and repress urges and desires.

I feel sad for people in that situation. Surely as men of value we should be rescuing such damsels in distress, awakening them from their sad existence and allowing them to experience a more satisfying chapter in their lives within our reality! This is a benevolent act. If they guy has been such a chode to have not pleased his girl (or even attempted to) then he only really has himself to blame.

Say if you took a job offer in a high profile position, worked one week then another job opportunity came up which you felt was more suited to you and more satisfying. Would you take it? Bearing in mind the company that just hired you has spent time money and resources selecting you as the ideal candidate, rejecting many other potential recruits, they also have a long term vision for you in mind. You now also have contractual obligations. The sudden other job offer would be your dream job? You know you would love to do that job.

If you feel life is too short and your own satisfaction and well-being is important to you, then you will likely hand in your notice in a heart-beat. If you become too concerned about how your employer will react and the potential mess you could leave then you will probably let a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity pass you by.

I would be quite interested in hearing a couple of these competing arguments, if or when you have time. I'm also a little confused at the moment with regards to this subject. Although I still have very high value on the kind of love that is attainable in an exclusive relationship, and very much hope one day to experience it, since I have got involved in this community I have come to realise that this mind set was actually quite detrimental to myself. This thing that I believed in so strongly before, was actually just an insecure feeling, of wanting to feel more whole as a person, or whatever. Quite an eye opener!

@SJ I know exactly what you mean, I came from that mindset to. I used to look at guys who would pull girls in relationships with distain. Without wishing to sound too flipant about the moral issues in question, now I think just think 'fair enough' if she's game. In this community you hear things like 'Be the man who takes what he wants' banded about, if a guy is doing just that then good luck to him I say.

Kowalski, I realised as soon as I'd posted that there were flaws in the quote you picked up on and I left myself wide open. However I would like to think that most people on this forum are intelligent enough to decipher what I mean. Clearly its not ok to just do whatever you want (although apart of me thinks it would be nice) total chaos and disregard for others would ensue if that was the case, civility would be seriously underthreat.

I mean in the context of pick-up specifically, if a guy see's a girl he likes/wants I say good luck to him if he's willing to take a chance on hooking up with her (through legal means). I for one cannot condone that, in his mind he is taking right action, that is good.

Like I said before, I still don't really know for sure where I stand on this debate. Although I feel of late that I am erring towards if a girl in a relationship is up for hooking up then it demonstrates to me that her relationship is not of such a great significance to her that she feels 100% commital towards it. Perhaps there are underlying issues within her relationship that don't make her feel fully satisfied. In that scenario I think its ok to proceed, but proceed with caution, don't go in like a bull in a china shop have consideration and compassion for peoples feelings where necessary.

One thing I do believe whole-heartedly is if you go around picking up girls in relationships 'just because you can', getting your fill and then discarding them, then you are a cunt I have no respect for that. However if you like a girl who is in a relationship she is not satisfied with and she likes you back (because she is attracted to the true expression of your authentic self, not because you are running game) and you end up hooking up, I don't see a problem with that. I know Nova was in this sort of situation a few months back when he got with his girl so I would like to hear his take on this.

This community teaches some great principles and equally some terrible ones. Often in routine based game techniques like 'Boyfriend Destroyers' and language patterns to try to get a girl to leave her guy for you are lame shit. These sorts of techniques are purely selfish with litte regard for genuine human feelings, the instigator is not entuned with his moral compass whatsoever. This sort of thing I am uncomfortable with and find morally questionable.

Let me tell yer, there's nothing like getting blown out 4 times in a row to bring you down a peg or two.

I went day gaming again today for an hour or two, and it was the strangest experience I've had since going out sarging.

I started out feeling on top of the world today. I got into town and literally felt like I could approach absolutely anyone. An extremely cut blonde was sat on a bench as I was walking past and I went straight in. We had a funny little chat, she was actually a bit young for me. 18 is the same age as my little sister, and after I found out her age I had decided I wasn't gonna try and go for the close, but regardless she had a good sense of humour and we had some giggles.

So I was feeling pretty damn confident at this point and spotted a pretty fine ass looking girl in a shoe shop stood waiting to greet customers by the doorway, and she smiled at me so I thought 'thats it now babe you can't smile at me like that and expect to get away with it!', so I went in and said e "I'm not interested in buying any shoes but I am interested in talking to you". This was easily the best interaction I had all day, and altyhough she didn't give me her number, cos she's got a boyfriend booooooooooo, she did insist on taking mine and gave me her name for face book. So we'll see how that one pans out.

Anyway, enough bragging, cos it certainly wasn't all roses let me tell yer. After this I completely started to bollox up. I approached one extremely sexy asian girl in TK Max, and she looked at me like I was asking for money or something. So anyway I laughed it of and carried on. Next I opened a girl in the mall outside of TK Max. An interesting looking woman with dreadlocks, but extremely pretty and a smoking bod. She was receptive, but just thanked me for my compliment and put her headphones back in. Sooo I thought fuck it, no biggy and went onward. Stopped a girl outside HnM, a tall brunette with looks that could stop traffic (in the good sense) and she was just like "sorry I've got to go!" leaving me stood there like a big issue seller, gutted. And then to top it off I tried stoppiung another girl in the street, and she just said "Sorry, no thanks!" Huh, I feel broken! Getting this many rejections in a row is just not good for a mans head. I'm doing my best to focus on the positive sets I had to begin with, but I'm finding it really hard to shake this chodey feeling. Hopefully it will pass!

To be honest this sounds WAY more positive than negative! You had good interactions with as many girls as lack of response - 50/50 is a f*cking good ratio. Just a shame it came after the good times I guess.

I'd pat yourself on the back mate, you did bloody good.

Yeah your'e absolutely right man. I think it's just cos i left it on a bad note that i'm pissed really. I just hope it doesn't affect my day game.

Dude! I think this is quality! The results you got are very good! Just forget the blow outs. It's happened before... it will happen again.

Food thought indeed. That is an interesting bit of information, one that I have surprisingly never considered. Especially in the week when people are busy bodying around to and from work or shopping around quickly before teatime. This certainly makes sense and causes me to be a bit less harder on myself.
I've not actually read Jugglers stuff yet. I do intend to, as I do intend to read a load of other stuff. I remember Blanca said he would email me Juggler Method (Blanca where you at?)

Damn it I knew there'd be consequences!
Cheers for the links.

SJ, the first time I met you, you could barely look me in the eye whilst we talked over a pint, now you are confidently hitting on random women on the street. All within the space of 6 months.....If that's not progress I don't know what is. You're doing awesome mate!

Thats because you reminded me of my ex girlfriend Hustler :eek:

K summed it up. A daytime/street 'rejection' has to be taken more with a pinch of salt as people (like ourselves) are focused on their lives, i.e. shopping. I like Juggler's suggestion of saying a few words to break their focus.

I'll be excited to read more about your day game SJ. You're report thus far is exciting.

DOH!!

'Your mother is a slutwhore'
'You're gay'

This stuff should be taught in schools.

Oh yeah I forgot about that mate! PM me your email address and I'll send you a copy.

Actually it was YOUR :biggthumpup: post about performance, feedback revision that egged me on to start righting field reports, so thank you matey.

Ohh yes summer is a comin, my favourite time of the year (hence my cheesy forum name) and you're :D all a set of penises.

Out day gaming again today. Had a hangover so wasn't up for it at all but I forced myself to go out and talk to some chicks. Got blown out first couple of times cos my approach was pretty bad, but it warmed me up and I started to get the sparkle back in my eye, slightly. My first semi decent set was with a polish girl, even though it lasted about 30 secs cos her bf was in mcdonalds and she was waiting for him outside, but I got a chuckle out of her and ejected before her most likely polish meathead bf came out and kicked my arse.
Then I approached a girl in a hairdressers who was sat at the counter. She was fairly cool but I was inside my head most of the time so i didn't even bother going for a close. I've learned getting a phone number is completely pointless unless you make a very good impression.
And then last but not least I approached this cute Irish girl and things were going pretty well until her mate came out and I just went inside my head big time and ran out of things to say. I have to admit I was feeling pretty choad to begin with and I didn't really manage to shake it off and it showed.
So what have I learnt today? Theres not many women over 20 in town on a sunday that are either without a big group of friends or a boyfriend, and sarging when you're hung over is a bit of mission. Never mind though at least I had a productive sunday, even if I didn't produce much.

Dude! Good stuff! If you ever want company while you do this, give me a shout. We missed you in Manc this weekend.

Thanks man. Sorry I couldn't reply to your text cos I didn't have any creds, I'm proper skint at the moment! I was working anyway that night which was pretty gutting. Look forward to hearing about it next time I see you!

Oh yes mate for sure your'e more than welcome to join me. I've not had much experience with a wing man but I'm sure it'll be a good learning curve for both of us. I'll text you next time I go.