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Default 09-05-2014, 01:56 AM

I am actually interested in a sales job now, but one that is primarily salary based, with possible uncapped commission or OTE.

That way you'd be driven to impress & sell anyways because if you don't impress over say, a 3 month probationary period, you would be up for review or maybe even let go.

However, there would be no worry of "i wonder will I sell enough to pay my rent this month" since you have guaranteed salary.

That's the best way. It would be foolish to attempt it with absolutely zero sales experience.

That's another thing, I think there are some online resources to get call centre training. I'm gunna do some to throw on my CV since most of these company's requirements include experience in the role, but having had training of sorts shows initiative & determination.


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Default 09-05-2014, 06:36 PM

You wont get a decent "salary" sales job with uncapped commission if you are a noob with no experience.

My advice, get into a specialist field at the bottom. Legal sales or Media. Be an appointment booker for a rep. ALWAYS do business to business. Selling to the public is a fucking retard/mugs game and there is no money it. I used to do legal sales, worked for a company for over a year then got headhunted for another on a higher salary. Off the back of that I could have carried on going, jumping companies earning more and more but I packed it in.

Like I said b2b sales.

Ask Phil anyway.
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Default 09-05-2014, 06:53 PM

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Right now I earn about 200/week for the training duration. I invest 40 into my betting account and if you do your homework on what your betting on then your likely of a good return. I have an 84% bet sucess rate and I've never had less than a 200% ROI. Most money made within a 1 month period was 843.24.

Tip: Asian & Eastern European football leagues to start off on for easy money.
So are you just making educated punts on sporting events? How do you ensure your bets have any value to them?

84% is a great strike rate, how many bets have you made to constitute that success rate?

I don't understand your tip. What's easy about those leagues? My understanding is that certainly from a betting exchange point of view, leagues like this often have very little liquidity making them notorious to scalp or glean any value from. Can you expand on how these markets are easy money?

I find this stuff interesting. If your making at least a 200% ROI that's very impressive. How long have you been doing this for?
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Default 09-05-2014, 07:54 PM

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So are you just making educated punts on sporting events? How do you ensure your bets have any value to them?

84% is a great strike rate, how many bets have you made to constitute that success rate?

I don't understand your tip. What's easy about those leagues? My understanding is that certainly from a betting exchange point of view, leagues like this often have very little liquidity making them notorious to scalp or glean any value from. Can you expand on how these markets are easy money?

I find this stuff interesting. If your making at least a 200% ROI that's very impressive. How long have you been doing this for?
Yes my bids are educated punts, though before a bid I spend a good couple of hours on research which will normally result in a bulk of bids.
Asian and Eastern European leagues are typically very easy to do research on and work out a high likelihood that the team you bid on to win, will win their match, especially in their domestic league; the champions league & Europa League have a lot more variables. That is more so in European leagues for example, Russia and Ukraine; there are about 2-3 good/really good teams in the first tier league within them countries and the rest of the teams are relatively poor in relation to those teams.


Asian leagues are a bit different, this is where research pays off quite a lot. In Asian leagues a chairman can be the chairman of vast number of teams within the country and will always have a favourite team or a team that is better than the rest. In this case, when that teams plays another team the chairman is also chairman of, the weaker team are generally required to lose. I'm not sure if this is primarily just to help the best team, giving them a good chance to win the league or whether it's a respect thing. It happens in quite a few Asian countries and also happens in a few European & South American teams too, those that is normally down to affiliates or similar as there are tighter rules on chairman's club ownerships.


Normally this match throwing is done subtly; a blatant penalty, etc.. but not too long ago there was a big scandal about it in the football community because a mid table team lost to their chairman's partner team (a team which the chairman liked more) 30 odd goals to 0 in order for them to win the league on goal difference. So research on these leagues really pays. The return from the Eastern European and Asian leagues isn't a great deal per bet but if you do the research and bet mid/high on obvious wins, high on what appear to be 50/50 games but after research (performance, injuries, owners, league position, affiliates, etc) normally you can expect to sway up to 80/20 in favour of 1 team and low on close calls.


My losses are mostly on the close calls, never lost an obvious win and I've had a few losses on 50/50 matches but they were ones I was prepared to take the risk on i.e. after research there was still little between them.
Individually I've made just over 250 bets with a 5 month period; May will be my 6th month. That doesn't take into account bets on English leagues, which I rarely do and other bets such as the grand national.


My first month I was very reserved and then the 2nd month I went a little wilder on the bets, some high 10+ bets on the Asian leagues and Swiss league (I think) and came out at the end of the month with 843.24. I realised I was very lucky with some high bets that month which basically single handedly made me that money so I made a set of rules and vowed not to break them, hence I didn't invest much of that money back into my account. I opened a savings account and I now add to that account each month with my return from the betting account - uni saving and for moving abroad (I'm not allowed to take money out of this account for at least 1 year; I imposed that rule and instructed the bank to impose it too).


My ROI is slightly more than 200%, its 207.86%. I know that at some point there will be a low, some dodgy game or whatever but I can't really complain, plus my research will go a long way to helping me identify those games. This month has been a quiet betting month, secretly it is because it's my birthday at the back end of this month and I didn't want that to tie in with a bad betting month. Still, I'm up 16 from my initial 40 account balance.


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Default 10-05-2014, 06:56 PM

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You wont get a decent "salary" sales job with uncapped commission if you are a noob with no experience.

My advice, get into a specialist field at the bottom. Legal sales or Media. Be an appointment booker for a rep. ALWAYS do business to business. Selling to the public is a fucking retard/mugs game and there is no money it. I used to do legal sales, worked for a company for over a year then got headhunted for another on a higher salary. Off the back of that I could have carried on going, jumping companies earning more and more but I packed it in.

Like I said b2b sales.

Ask Phil anyway.

This is true.

We offer about 13.5-18 K for experienced sales staff with uncapped comms based upon experience.

The wage slides up pretty quickly if you can prove yourself but as a newbie it takes about 12 months hard core sales B2B b4 u can even taste real understanding of the job.

3-5 years B2B experience will make u an asset.


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Default 10-05-2014, 09:21 PM

Thanks for the info lads I'll keep it in mind.

I want to be a fireman now though.


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Default 10-05-2014, 11:53 PM

if u went from sales to fireman in 2 days. ur clearly not ready to make this choice yet.


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Default 11-05-2014, 12:51 AM

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if u went from sales to fireman in 2 days. ur clearly not ready to make this choice yet.
I'm actually open to anything exciting.

I did want to be a drug counselor or something similar but I've lost interest in it since any of the organizations I have been involved with are all about fucking "harm reductions" & all that shit. Which is ok for what it is but if you look deeper they're discussing things like junkies not getting respect when they go to the chemist to collect 20/40/60 free needles. They complain about being looked down on & stuff.

Respect for the junkies who have probably just robbed an old woman's pension to get their fix? That's why they get looked down on. Fuck them. If you're a piece of shit you'll get treated like a piece of shit.

Since a year ago I have gradually drifted away from it & I'm no longer interested.

It's a depressing pile of shit that's nothing but doom & gloom.

I wanted to get into it to educate kids. If I could somehow get a job where that's all I do, I'd still keep going. In fact I will definitely see if that's possible before I totally wash my hands of it.


But in reality right now I am completely open & hopeful for something that's interesting exciting & cool.

I should be getting a reply from the NI fire service early in the week since I've contacted them in 3 different ways. It's a long shot anyway because I have a conviction that won't be spent for another 3 & half years I think, but if it doesn't work then it doesn't matter, I'm sure I'll find something else.


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Default 20-05-2014, 12:44 AM

The fire & rescue service are not recruiting at this time.

I was told to keep an eye out though.

I also saw on Facebook that 27 New recruits graduated as firefighters the other day.

My understanding is that it's always 27, out of another fixed number who go to training camp.

You would need to be fit as a motherfucker to do it.


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Default 20-05-2014, 05:24 PM

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