Seriously though, uber Ill give you a ring on tuesday or wednesday, you always ring me at work haha

Just a quick one… I m meeting up with that NLP practitioner tonight for a general chat and I was just wondering if anyone could simplify what NLP is.

What is it?

How it works?

What fields its used in?

And anything else you can think of to help me out. Ive googled it and read up on a few things but I just want to clear it up in my own head.

Kowalski - fair point.I'd say three things to that. 1. Arguably any kind of business is AMORAL rather than moral or immoral; 2. Although I personally believe it's bullshit, selling snake oil - at the same time it could be argued that some of it isn't, some of it is common sense etc but not necessarily bullshit, and also there do appear to be people who do the courses and genuinely seem to get something out of it. Finally, I'm looking for high numbers of sales - hence the online sales - and so pricing products as low as possible but to a relatively large market rather than screwing people over with very large fees. So, personally, I'm not sure it fully fits the category of "scam" albeit I'd accept and respect people's critical comments. Of course, you could say the fashion, perfume, celebrity business etc is all a "scam" if you want to bring ethics into it...My view is business is amoral, like I said, if an arguably moral entity like the government has an issue with something then they have the power to regulate or stop and business entity...

i thought the only money to be made in NLP is via training, ergo the whole pyramid selling air to it.

I wouldn't waste your time or your money to be honest mate, it will cost you 1400 to 1500 to get your practitioners certificate, another 2000 or so to get your master practitioners, then another 3000 or so to get your trainers training, so that you can register your self with NLP international, which cost Mo' Money. then you have to find an area, that isn't already saturated, and set up shop.

NLP might be bullshit but its' highly trademarked bullshit, and in order to begin making money from it you need to pay shed loads to make sure you are all "legit" and badged. This is its core business model!

As for taking all the other aspects and learning them to make money is also asinine, as all the other techniques that are therapeutic, i.e. counselling and life coaching ect ect. take a long time to master and arent very profitable.

also if you try and set yourself up teaching "NLP" type stuff without it being called NLP, ppl wont buy it as it will lack the "brand power", even though you may be teaching the same shit.

Easier to start a church or a cult

can anyone help me on this? im meeting him at 6?

NLP is a intellectual model for how the brain works in essence, all the perceived tricks/techniques are like hacks for this model.

it is also a means to look at and cognitize how ppl interact and communicate, with ppl having differing representational systems (aka thinking), i.e. some ppl maybe more visually(seeing) orientated, other audioally(hearing) and kinesthetically (feeling). ppl use differing language depending on which they are, so your msg might not be a clear if you are being all visual and shit when they are a kinesthetic person and they really need the "feels" like.

also there are much more intricate modes of internal representation systems(thinking) i.e meta model vs milton, big picture vs details, dicks vs vaginas.

there are a few decent proverbs that NLP has borrowed from other places like

"The map is not the territory" and "those who have the most flexible mode of communication will get there message across... or something like that.


there is loads more to it, I'm sure the guy will be more that happy to tell you the in's and out's of a duck's arse with regards to it, NLPers usually do ;-)

also if he asks you to take a "New direction" don't, cause your arse will never be the same after lol

Framejacker - what's your background with NLP? You obviously know your stuff?

I've Read NLP for dummies, the brain: a users guide (master practitioner textbook), structure of magic 1 and 2 (1st 2 books by bandler and grinder), frogs into princes (by bandler), hypnosis: a comprehensive guide by tad james, hypnotherapey by Dave Elman. Been to loads of NLP practice sessions run by a local trainer, learn a bit of hypnosis as well.

But it's like anything you have to filter out the horse shit and look to what was the original inspirations, like Milton Erickson, virginia satir, fritz and Laura Perls, Carl Jung and Norman Chompsky.

^ example, no one really has a preferred representational system

And there is little evidence that the is an actual correlation between eye cues and there internal representation system

Think he must be taking a "new direction" as we speak...