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Default 06-06-2014, 11:35 PM

I'm all for honest to fuck no holds barred female input

Lucy, keep an eye out for my posts on my daygame diary

Quite a few guys on here give me shit for how I go about chatting to girls

I would be interested to have your views, advice, or critique on it too


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Default 07-06-2014, 04:12 AM

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Interesting Lucy how you titled this "behind enemy lines".... shows the perspective you are coming from. You must have us pegged as misogynistic women haters?

We've had more than a few birds on here in the past. Despite the novelty they experience by reading our crappy posts, they add zero value to the forum, give terrible "advice" then get bored and leave.

Sorry, but the general consensus is that a women giving a man pick up advice is like me giving women tips on how to deal with menstrual cramps on mumsnet.

I give Lucy two weeks.
More importantly, Lucy can you put us in touch with other women? Otherwise show us a picture of your snatch full of Wotsits.


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Default 07-06-2014, 05:59 AM

i give her till yesterday


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Default 07-06-2014, 10:25 AM

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Dan.

If you chat to a statistically significant number of girls (which it seems you do), then you know how your approach is being received by women from their responses. If it is leading to lots of new, fun, sexy friendships, then it is going well; continue as you are. If it is not leading to many or any new, fun, sexy friendships, then it isn't going well; make revisions to your approach.

As many great people have observed - repeating an action and expecting a different outcome is idiocy.

Some dim-witted, scammer, who never once pulled a girl as a man, adding her tuppence isn't going to be of value.


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Default 07-06-2014, 10:26 AM

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Help yourself to my website - I always appreciate feedback, even if it's harsh.
OK well I had a quick look.

On the plus side I thought everything under the page titles looked quite slick, the way you had tiled photos and articles looked indicative of a bigger business than one person offering life coaching. So that's good.

On the down side I didn't like the header graphics along the top, or the individual page titles "cosy, about you..etc"…that all looked kinda clumsy compared to the rest.

The photo is trying too hard to look professional too. I wouldn't be surprised if you listened to their problems by day n made em beg you to jam a stiletto into their nuts by night. A smile wouldn't hurt.

I've met various life and pua coaches including 2 of the well known female PUA coaches, although I know you infer you are not competing with them directly. One was nuts and the other was a nice girl but you could just feel that under all the techniques she trying to teach me to hide behind she was just as scared as the rest of us. They both traded on being female giving a unique perspective which to be honest was a load of old bollocks.

Be aware that guys on here have probably consumed more NLP and whatnot than you would expect so attempts to reframe indirect marketing will not go unnoticed.


"Civilise the mind, make savage the body"

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Default 07-06-2014, 11:03 AM

If we are reviewing the site.

It looks like a PUA site. The main header would look right in place with a silhouette of a naked chick, or the play boy bunny.

The text and images are inconsistent and the design element isn't all that great. there are no key lines and tidy ups that most professional designers should be using so i assume you had 'someone you know who does websites' design it.

Not your typical life coach, followed by ur name is too wordy. its like you are trying to tell everyone as quick as u can how u are different.

First of all if you think that is attention grabbing you need to do more NLP. If you have done hypnosis NLP comes as part and parcel and the site has no elements of suggestion nor does it grab me... intact when u say not your typical life coach i read

"your typical life coach"

the first thing you see when the site opens is a gold bullion. I assume that was attention grabbing? it instantly made me think 'marketing scheme'. It follows the same patterns as those MLM sites, or juice plus sites throwing around pics of money.


the guy in the glasses i assume you where going for an average joe... he looks like a pedophile.

There are too many variables on your site. You haven't picked an audience to target you have tried to cram everything without real structure.

Also the slow fade between pages is outdated, it creates a slow customer experience. If you are going to do it it needs to be done properly.

Your website doesn't say life coach to me. it says "ill wear a low cut top when I'm coaching"


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Default 07-06-2014, 12:56 PM

Your interpretation of a few of the PUA type things (negs, push pull and so on) isn't quite accurate. However that doesn't really matter since even in their correct form they're ineffective and fucking stupid, so your advice of 'just don't' is pretty much on the money.

The problem is that you're cutting out stuff that won't work and replacing it with a completely different type of stuff that won't work. This is less your fault and more of a massive systemic problem with the concept of pickup in general. Being attractive is something you 'are', not a set of specific conscious things you 'do'. Attractiveness has to be developed as an intuitive subconscious kind of thing through experience.

It's a general cart before the horse problem. People see attractive people behave in a certain way, or get success with the opposite sex one night, then go back and attempt to post hoc rationalise what was going on. This can be practically anything, from being disinterested to being focussed, from being very physical to not physical at all. The problem is that these rationalisations are often incorrect and barely ever adaptable to other situations.

Consciously micromanaging your own behaviour looks fake, forced and creepy no matter what you do. People spot it easily and it makes them uncomfortable. Any person new to pickup who is not confident is going to balls up acting cool and confident regardless of the specific method you gave him. This is why stuff like push pull, negs, kino etc are really ineffective for most guys, and it's easy to visualise how a misplaced bit of push pull or kino would look terrible, but the same thing is true of your more conventional tips (aside from washing of course):
  • Standing straight - People who consciously try to control their posture in a conversation generally look awkward as fuck. Same thing with 'finely tuned body language'.
  • Compliments - Often used in the old school pua stuff, and they can be just as weird as negs in the wrong hands.
  • Self Kino - Picture some dude in a club wearing a fedora and blazer, rubbing himself like he's in a fucking timotei advert. That would happen. PUA's are that weird, trust me.
  • High intensity focus - Huge potential for creepiness with those who have poor social intuition. A while back a pickup instructor for RSD was talking about strong eye contact. People started filming themselves staring into their webcams and uploading the video of it to the rsd forum to see if they were doing it right. Yep. Weird.

The little golden nugget of truth at the middle of all the bullshit of pickup and seduction is this:

'Go out and talk to a lot of girls. Have some guts and push yourself into situations that might intimidate you a bit. Think for yourself and figure out what works best for you'

Anything other than that is just surface layer flim flam and is generally going to fail to deliver, regardless of what the tips and principles you use.

But if that's what you want to do, then sure whatever.


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Default 07-06-2014, 11:11 PM

Hi, thank you all for the feedback and advice, especially Barney, Postscript and Phil for reviewing my site - I had no idea you guys would do that, but I'm grateful for your input. I did the site myself - so yes, it does have amateur glitches in it, hence it's so refreshing to get the opinions of people who have no interest at all in pleasing me. Thank you all for your replies on this - illuminating indeed.
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Default 08-06-2014, 03:22 AM

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Hi, thank you all for the feedback and advice, especially Barney, Postscript and Phil for reviewing my site - I had no idea you guys would do that, but I'm grateful for your input. I did the site myself - so yes, it does have amateur glitches in it, hence it's so refreshing to get the opinions of people who have no interest at all in pleasing me. Thank you all for your replies on this - illuminating indeed.
Id throw you about the place.


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