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Default 03-01-2011, 08:46 PM

Pick Up trainers and tutors are cashing in on the human condition which runs thus:

If you have a problem, chuck loads of money at the problem and it will be solved.

They are also very clever manipulators of the concept that most people are in fact very stupid, and will believe most things they see on TV and the internet.

This works everywhere in life, not just pick up. The whole point of advertising and marketing is to convince us that we have a problem which needs solving, and that by chucking money at said problem, our lives will be better. The truth is that the vast, vast, vast majority of advertising is bullshit. And actually, much of it is pretty grossly misleading, not least in the world of Pick Up.

For example, I sometimes visit Burger King. Never once have I had a smoking hot perfectly symmetrical burger, complete with crisp glistening lettuce and perfectly chopped equally sized onions thrust at me through a furious wall of flame. Now I've been into Burger King lots, and I'm very sorry, but it's really never like that in there at all. The burger is always slightly tough and slightly over cooked, the mayo is always dribbling down the side of the burger, the lettuce is always soggy and sometimes they forget the onion altogether, and I'm always served by some poor fucker with a skin disease. And there's no fire anywhere to be seen, at least not fire which looks like its supposed to be there.

So, basically, the adverts are lying to me. That's the long and the short of it. They're lying. They're not telling the truth. They're embellishing. They're misleading me. They're wilfully and knowingly telling me things which aren't true. They present their product in a light which is not accurate. They are presenting a brand image which in no way is representative of the reality of entering a Burger King store and eating a Whopper. That is advertising.

This is, broadly, the same way Pick Up works. You are presented with all these amazing claims that what you are being offered is a '100% Guaranteed System' which simply cannot fail, and which will leave you fighting off women with a lengthy stick, and that thousands of guys just like you are already using this system every single night of the week, and it will work for you too as long as you put your credit card details into this little box here and give us a bit of money first.

Its misleading. Its lying. Its bollocks. There is no caveat which says:

...by the way. Just so you know, this is actually quite difficult to grasp. It might take you several months, even years to figure out. You're going to beat yourself up when you get it wrong, you're gonna feel like a bit of a dick from time to time, and this isn't all going to be completely pleasant. But stick at it, and you might just get good. But we can't guarantee anything, obviously.

Nope, there's none of that. There is simply misleading, lying, bollocks, promises of a quick fix solution which everyone is looking for but in fact no-one could actually possibly offer.

The people who train and get paid for it are cunning. They know people are stupid, and that they can manipulate you. I mean, for God's fucking sake, look at that Kesia bird. Is she training guys whilst wearing a sensible but cosy turtle neck jumper? No, she's got her tits wobbling around! She knows exactly what she's doing! She's saying 'Pay me some money, and I'll teach you what to do to get other people with boobs like these'.

But, you know something? She won't. She won't give you a quick fix system. There is no 100% guaranteed line that works every time. There isn't even a PUA anywhere in the world that can approach any girl any time and 100% guarantee that he'll close. But, the myth that such a level of success can be achieved is perpetuated in order that idiot guys continue to throw money at the problem.

For a broad overview of my thoughts about advertisers and the advertising industry, watch this.

......Rant over.


Just get on with it please
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Default 04-01-2011, 10:56 AM

Jaz... i can see what ur up 2

its a conspiracy


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Default 04-01-2011, 01:12 PM

Ok! So kowalski

Playing on ignorace is pretty much the entirety of business

8 meg broadband get yours now... 8 mega bit not byte but plastered all over the tv as 8 MEG for the less knowledgeable

BT AOL Virgin Vodaphone

This new K Cal crap about how fat is good for u from macdonalds

Nutellas new ENERGY FOR THE DAY crap

its all sales... essentially, they will give the guys who buy the product a feeling of confidence so they may approach women. although it doesnt work, if it makes them feel as tho it does its a product.

its all sales, makin there shit sound better than it is. What business man in their right mind would say "my product is average, buy one now"! dont happen.

every company makes what they are selling sound better than it is OF COURSE THEY DO who cares...? good on anyone who goes an does it.

if i had time i would


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Default 05-01-2011, 12:46 PM

YES, I can, but again, please refer to my thread.

im basically saying so is the same for most products on the face of the planet, i guess it depends on what u want from life. My product i sell is a waste of space, yet i make it sound the shit

i could either

a, find a normal job maybe in retail

or

b, let it go and accept it, earn the money i do to allow such freedom of life.

Morals vs Business is an age old argument and there is a saying

Its not personal, Its Just Business!


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Default 05-01-2011, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kowalski View Post
There's a difference.

The burger on the advert is not exactly like the one in the shop. The one in the shop still tastes good and is actually food so it fulfills its primary function of nourishment (of sorts).
thats ur opinion, i dont feel it is in any way nourishing it is detremental.

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The results of following PUA books on the advert is exactly unlike what actually happens in reality. In reality if you follow their advice, you will end up a twisted sociopathic friendless creep (as is evidenced in many a PUA forum thread) and they know that.


Peace,

kowalski
i feel its main function is to give people the confidence to approach...


ur argument is ur opinion of the outcome, and is a variable based on the opinion of the reader.


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Default 06-01-2011, 01:50 AM

So you don't think that pick up is something that can be taught then?

I used to study Italian without teachers. I just bought grammar books and went out speaking to people. I got quite good but continued to make mistakes that nobody corrected and picked up a few bad habits.

Then I decided to do an advanced course. The teacher was great and immediately identified my sticking points. We ironed out my bad habits and almost completely perfected my grammar.

As a teacher myself, I appreciate that things can be self taught to a certain standard, but there really is no substitute for a good teacher and a well planned course.

Do you not believe that attracting and picking up women could work in the same way?
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Default 06-01-2011, 06:17 PM

I liken it to learning to fly..

There is a zillion different ways to do it, and everyone who has done it, has their opinion and there way they did it, for example you can pay and teach yourself by self funding, or you can get sponsered, or you can get an air force to pay for it and train you.

You can learn in the USA, which is shit, they just teach you how to pass the exams, or you can learn in the UK, which is more expensive, but they teach you to fly and not to pass exams.

Whats even more annoying is there are 100s of different schools that have good reputations and bad reputations, but at the end of the day, they all teach you how to take off, find your way from a to b and then land safely.

Pickup is similar, everyone has different methods and ideas, but that end of the day, they are all quite similar, and then end result is also the same.

Some people will prefer Kesia, some people will prefer MM and some will prefer RSD, and some are just scams....

Myself, Ive learnt from all of them, some stuff I have tried and failed using, and some I have used and learnt from and its had good results, and kesia's 10 hook lead system has helped me.

The deepconnection has also helped.. the only downside to the deep connection dvd is the female guniea pigs she uses, are totally not the type of girls you want anyways, stuck up and prentious, which is a shame because what she is teaching makes sense.


dont worry theres another six around the corner...
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Default 06-01-2011, 10:39 PM

i dont care what u say, if a guy who has never approached a girl before... has no friens who can help him. he pays 500 quid and they force him into an approach, whether the shit works or not. the confidence to start acting different is worth £500

i think kowalski ur lookin at it from a competent persons view. there are alot of guys who without PUA would still be virgins. And without the money involved, PUA wouldnt exist.

its the exact same as NLP seminars.... or tony robins... its selling hopes.

if u get somethin from it, its worth it


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Default 07-01-2011, 12:18 AM

i completely understand what ur sayin mate, i really do. but i just dont think u can hold the benefactors accountable for making money where opportunity is posed.

its the fault of the idiots. its like the government blaming drug dealers for people having drug problems.


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Default 07-01-2011, 01:12 PM

If you have the money, and being taught about PUA is worth that money for you, then there is no problem. It can be a problem if someone scams you and teach you nothing, or is a shit teacher etc.

But there is certainly lots of stuff to learn about what we do, and having a competent wing/teacher is not a luxury we all have for free.

If there is a demand, there will be a supply. There is a huge demand for PU stuff and someone will cash in on that. I go out with my regular group, and I often teach and coach them. No charge as they are my friends etc. But taking a complete stranger out and spending a whole weekend doing nothing but coaching him, of course I would expect him to pay for my time. My time is valuable, and having a good coach/teacher is a short cut that many are willing to pay for as their own time is valuable too.

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