thats ur opinion, i dont feel it is in any way nourishing it is detremental.

i feel its main function is to give people the confidence to approach...


ur argument is ur opinion of the outcome, and is a variable based on the opinion of the reader.

So you don't think that pick up is something that can be taught then?

I used to study Italian without teachers. I just bought grammar books and went out speaking to people. I got quite good but continued to make mistakes that nobody corrected and picked up a few bad habits.

Then I decided to do an advanced course. The teacher was great and immediately identified my sticking points. We ironed out my bad habits and almost completely perfected my grammar.

As a teacher myself, I appreciate that things can be self taught to a certain standard, but there really is no substitute for a good teacher and a well planned course.

Do you not believe that attracting and picking up women could work in the same way?

I liken it to learning to fly..

There is a zillion different ways to do it, and everyone who has done it, has their opinion and there way they did it, for example you can pay and teach yourself by self funding, or you can get sponsered, or you can get an air force to pay for it and train you.

You can learn in the USA, which is shit, they just teach you how to pass the exams, or you can learn in the UK, which is more expensive, but they teach you to fly and not to pass exams.

Whats even more annoying is there are 100s of different schools that have good reputations and bad reputations, but at the end of the day, they all teach you how to take off, find your way from a to b and then land safely.

Pickup is similar, everyone has different methods and ideas, but that end of the day, they are all quite similar, and then end result is also the same.

Some people will prefer Kesia, some people will prefer MM and some will prefer RSD, and some are just scams....

Myself, Ive learnt from all of them, some stuff I have tried and failed using, and some I have used and learnt from and its had good results, and kesia's 10 hook lead system has helped me.

The deepconnection has also helped.. the only downside to the deep connection dvd is the female guniea pigs she uses, are totally not the type of girls you want anyways, stuck up and prentious, which is a shame because what she is teaching makes sense.

i dont care what u say, if a guy who has never approached a girl before... has no friens who can help him. he pays 500 quid and they force him into an approach, whether the shit works or not. the confidence to start acting different is worth £500

i think kowalski ur lookin at it from a competent persons view. there are alot of guys who without PUA would still be virgins. And without the money involved, PUA wouldnt exist.

its the exact same as NLP seminars.... or tony robins... its selling hopes.

if u get somethin from it, its worth it

i completely understand what ur sayin mate, i really do. but i just dont think u can hold the benefactors accountable for making money where opportunity is posed.

its the fault of the idiots. its like the government blaming drug dealers for people having drug problems.

If you have the money, and being taught about PUA is worth that money for you, then there is no problem. It can be a problem if someone scams you and teach you nothing, or is a shit teacher etc.

But there is certainly lots of stuff to learn about what we do, and having a competent wing/teacher is not a luxury we all have for free.

If there is a demand, there will be a supply. There is a huge demand for PU stuff and someone will cash in on that. I go out with my regular group, and I often teach and coach them. No charge as they are my friends etc. But taking a complete stranger out and spending a whole weekend doing nothing but coaching him, of course I would expect him to pay for my time. My time is valuable, and having a good coach/teacher is a short cut that many are willing to pay for as their own time is valuable too.

/Loke

Quoted out of context there K. whats up with trying to manipulate what I said? In that very sentence I went on to say SOME people wont be open to RSD's way of things. I personally never used lines... I tried them after success without them and found them useless.

When I say 'essential' I mean in the way that SOME people WILL need them. NOT EVERYONE but SOME will definitely NEED THEM because they wont be comfortable without.

So to the community AS A WHOLE they are ESSENTIAL to keep EVERYONE happy.

So fuck being stubborn, you used to at least see both sides of it. I was taking your fucking side in the first place... No need in attacking my opinion.

db x

well Kesia has sunken to an all time low...

she is now writing for Zoo magazine, a mag written by cunts for cunts...

expect 18 year old chav chode cunts to be walking around asking who lies more men or women...

geez Kesia I had so much respect for you until now

I dont know how i feel about a semi Hot Chick teaching Pickup with her cleavage on show.
There is just somthing inside me thats gets angry.

Its like watching Nigella Lawson on cooking shows, she tries to be seductive -- instead of turning me on it just irritates me.

but for a Rookie PUA like myself i am learning things from this DVD.

I have never been one for having blind faith in whatever somone tells me, but i am one for collecting all the facts and taking what i feel to be valid and palying around with it.

As I see it, she is preaching how she and "some" of her friends would like to be picked up.

This is hardly an all encompassing demographic.

I've field tested her Diffusion technique.
Essentially you disagree with a girl for a bit and then say

(In Kezia, slightly cheesy voice that grates on me slightly)

"Stop!"
"We are never going to agree on this"
"...and you know what?......"
"I kinda like that"


Some girls love it, others think it's it's frickin creepy.

Same as all PUA stuff; you watch, you listen you take on board what works for you.

I've watched ten hook leads and deep connection.

Some good tips particularly with people who struggle with conversation.

I've never really struggled with conversation. I'm a salesman and love working with people and naturally find them interesting. I've naturally been picking up on "hooks" and changing the direction of conversation etc.

For me the main sticking points have been AA (now getting much better) and Seduction/turning the interaction Sexual.

The stuff I've seen from Kezia, doesn't help me at all with these.

Scamp