My problem with all this is that there are constantly updated "techniques" being posted.

You guys honestly think that attraction is an evolutionarily moderated ability? That it hasn't been the same for more than 10 million years? Come on - people have been picking up fit girls for hundreds of years without these "techniques", what makes you think they're essential to pick-up now?

Kesia and her mates are full of shit. My cousin recently showed me a summary of her teachings and they're an excessively flowered version of Mystery Method. Valuable to the extent of giving abosolute newbies something to work with but valueless to men of real stature - "neg the target", "dhv", "go under the radar" etc.

Get fucked, you'll go alot further being yourself, having a right laugh and not giving a fuck.

We differ on this one K. Allow me to put the following:

For some newbies, the use of limited canned material can be helpful.

Far be it for me to suggest this is a one-size-fits-all solution. And I'm not suggesting a newbie might want to read The Mystery Method cover to cover before even thinking of opening a set. Rather, if I were out and about with a newbie, I would recommend the use of a basic canned opener to simply give them something to say to a girl, which doesn't require thought. The aim is to defeat AA, and to provide the first building block which says 'its ok to go and talk to a girl'.

From there the newbie may wish too, and would be recommended to seek non-canned openers, thus providing a second building block which says 'its ok to go and talk to a girl... And it doesn't actually matter what you say'.

Oh and just on the subject of Richard La Ruina and Kesia.

Richard La Ruina is a complete con artist who totally weirds me out. His book is garbage and a waste of paper. He spent time writing a book which essentially involved taking MM and moving some words around. That anyone would refer to his book positively is beyond me.

You know what Kezia's USP is? Its got fuck all to do with good technique or new ideas or sage advice. Kezia Noble's USP is that she's fit.

A fit girl telling you what works with fit girls? Well then, it must be true!

just out of interenst... what is the issue with earning money from pua, granted i agree they are a load of shit, but people are buyin it, its just business....

if some wally offered me £1000 to take him on a night out an teach him the ways... (granted i would teach him better than most of the above names, and none of the bollocks) but if it meant to teach them the generic PUA tactics...

i would do it...

The world is full of AFC's so selling easy accessible pussy is like selling Viagra or extend the size of your penis spam emails we’ve all had them. Anything that hits men’s basic needs is big business and PUA industry is only going to get bigger.

Everyone’s trying to making a buck from guys pimping out wingwomen for £20 a pop to PUA charging £1000’s for one-to-ones. This site will be no different maybe they are already planning revenue at some point, who knows, personally I couldn’t care a less. If I have to pay to sign in that’s different but advertisings fine by me. As for PUA showing me field tactics for a price, I'd rather buy a coke and learn myself.

There always has been and always will be people offering seminars on how to change your life, become a millionaire or become a woman magnet and if people want to pay these people then I shake my head in disbelief but whilst there are punters there is always going to be people punting services.

I’m proud of the fact that my only outlay has been books, okay I’ve read quite a few but I hey I like reading books so I don’t consider this cost. I passed on the books I’ve read so someone else benefits. Keiza book got given to a girl I know at work and I reckon every girl on the 5th floors read it.

PUA artists like Keiza in some way know they have the market to themselves and simply making hay while the sun shines.

You missed this bit


Christ do people have to be so literal You know what I mean PUA trainer, although Kezia pulling chicks disguised as a guy nice idea.

Pick Up trainers and tutors are cashing in on the human condition which runs thus:

If you have a problem, chuck loads of money at the problem and it will be solved.

They are also very clever manipulators of the concept that most people are in fact very stupid, and will believe most things they see on TV and the internet.

This works everywhere in life, not just pick up. The whole point of advertising and marketing is to convince us that we have a problem which needs solving, and that by chucking money at said problem, our lives will be better. The truth is that the vast, vast, vast majority of advertising is bullshit. And actually, much of it is pretty grossly misleading, not least in the world of Pick Up.

For example, I sometimes visit Burger King. Never once have I had a smoking hot perfectly symmetrical burger, complete with crisp glistening lettuce and perfectly chopped equally sized onions thrust at me through a furious wall of flame. Now I've been into Burger King lots, and I'm very sorry, but it's really never like that in there at all. The burger is always slightly tough and slightly over cooked, the mayo is always dribbling down the side of the burger, the lettuce is always soggy and sometimes they forget the onion altogether, and I'm always served by some poor fucker with a skin disease. And there's no fire anywhere to be seen, at least not fire which looks like its supposed to be there.

So, basically, the adverts are lying to me. That's the long and the short of it. They're lying. They're not telling the truth. They're embellishing. They're misleading me. They're wilfully and knowingly telling me things which aren't true. They present their product in a light which is not accurate. They are presenting a brand image which in no way is representative of the reality of entering a Burger King store and eating a Whopper. That is advertising.

This is, broadly, the same way Pick Up works. You are presented with all these amazing claims that what you are being offered is a '100% Guaranteed System' which simply cannot fail, and which will leave you fighting off women with a lengthy stick, and that thousands of guys just like you are already using this system every single night of the week, and it will work for you too as long as you put your credit card details into this little box here and give us a bit of money first.

Its misleading. Its lying. Its bollocks. There is no caveat which says:

...by the way. Just so you know, this is actually quite difficult to grasp. It might take you several months, even years to figure out. You're going to beat yourself up when you get it wrong, you're gonna feel like a bit of a dick from time to time, and this isn't all going to be completely pleasant. But stick at it, and you might just get good. But we can't guarantee anything, obviously.

Nope, there's none of that. There is simply misleading, lying, bollocks, promises of a quick fix solution which everyone is looking for but in fact no-one could actually possibly offer.

The people who train and get paid for it are cunning. They know people are stupid, and that they can manipulate you. I mean, for God's fucking sake, look at that Kesia bird. Is she training guys whilst wearing a sensible but cosy turtle neck jumper? No, she's got her tits wobbling around! She knows exactly what she's doing! She's saying 'Pay me some money, and I'll teach you what to do to get other people with boobs like these'.

But, you know something? She won't. She won't give you a quick fix system. There is no 100% guaranteed line that works every time. There isn't even a PUA anywhere in the world that can approach any girl any time and 100% guarantee that he'll close. But, the myth that such a level of success can be achieved is perpetuated in order that idiot guys continue to throw money at the problem.

For a broad overview of my thoughts about advertisers and the advertising industry, watch this.

......Rant over.

Jaz... i can see what ur up 2

its a conspiracy

Ok! So kowalski

Playing on ignorace is pretty much the entirety of business

8 meg broadband get yours now... 8 mega bit not byte but plastered all over the tv as 8 MEG for the less knowledgeable

BT AOL Virgin Vodaphone

This new K Cal crap about how fat is good for u from macdonalds

Nutellas new ENERGY FOR THE DAY crap

its all sales... essentially, they will give the guys who buy the product a feeling of confidence so they may approach women. although it doesnt work, if it makes them feel as tho it does its a product.

its all sales, makin there shit sound better than it is. What business man in their right mind would say "my product is average, buy one now"! dont happen.

every company makes what they are selling sound better than it is OF COURSE THEY DO who cares...? good on anyone who goes an does it.

if i had time i would

YES, I can, but again, please refer to my thread.

im basically saying so is the same for most products on the face of the planet, i guess it depends on what u want from life. My product i sell is a waste of space, yet i make it sound the shit

i could either

a, find a normal job maybe in retail

or

b, let it go and accept it, earn the money i do to allow such freedom of life.

Morals vs Business is an age old argument and there is a saying

Its not personal, Its Just Business!