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Default Eloquence - Oscar Wilde, Shakespeare - 15-04-2009, 04:39 PM

This is a perhaps a bit of a strange thread, but I'd be interested to see what you think.
It was going to be a private message to Kolawski, but I decided to open it up.

Some of you have talked about elegance and grace.

I wonder whether you have thought about becoming super elegant while talking - can this be part of game, or is it an unnecessary distraction?

For me, this is something I will work on, regardless of game. It is an important skill in life, and one which can rapidly make you rapidly stand out.

Essentially, it is about becoming more eloquent, more articulate, and perhaps a bit of a wordsmith.

It’s not very common, and not something I have. Oscar Wilde was apparently very very charming. This is because he had a sharp mind, and was able to use words incredibly well.

Some examples I recommend:

Shakespeare - for the incredible richness of language (Romeo and Juliet; Hamlet...)

Faust Part One – incredible poetic rhyming work – very dark

Oscar Wilde – The Picture of Dorian Grey; The importance of Being Ernest – fast-moving, witty, and very sharp.

(film) Glengarry Glenross – hilarious film about Sales – rich and fast-moving crude dialogue

I’m not aware of anything that helps develop this stuff (like self help), but if I find anything useful I’ll pass it on.

Also in terms of the actual sound of speech. The BBC presenters usually sound incredible – they have worked on their voice (on the radio, they also fluctuate their pitch more).

Cheers

Anthony
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Default 15-04-2009, 06:43 PM

Antony

As i have the word grace tatoo'd on my arm (and means alot too me) i dont think this is an odd post at all . In fact the reason i orginally posted the whole idea abotu grace is because it;s so important .

Im sure K will go into in more depth but i would just say , in field 90 % of the time a girl doesn't want super elegance as this can come across overbearing . Be graceful and elegant in how you act and respond but dont go up and put yourself into a well spoken , well written , articulated mindset as in a club or bar as a first impression your going to come across as arrogant and maybe even boring ...

This is not to say dont rock the intellectual-ness as ive seen K rock it very well with the ladies on many occasion but watch him when he's out . He shows he is graceful and articulate but doesn't push it upon people .

Definatly be graceful in all that you do when your out as this shows you are cool , collected and totally in control of everything around you , but dont force it and try to be More than people expect .

Let your vibe and fun attitude do the talking , not your vocabulary and knowledge of facts
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Default 16-04-2009, 08:16 AM

Haha and there you have it

For instance , K can talk on about the philosophical nature of a north african pummel toad , make it sound like liquid gold ... and then end it with

'Peace out muthafukers'
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Default 16-04-2009, 10:22 PM

Cool – I hear what you are saying about being over the top - especially about people that come across as trying to sound intelligent (is this is me please let me know!!).

Massive fan of Iannucci's The Thick of It - incredible dialogue.

Humility – this is hugely important to me. Sometimes conflicts with the idea of being confident, or ‘alpha’.

I’ll see where this stuff takes me – I expect brutal feedback!!
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Default 14-05-2009, 04:08 PM

If you guys want to learn how to speak with ease, charm and eloquence you should watch alan Wickers world... its a bbc program from the 60's but its been re run on the bbc recently. I really want to be able to talk like him, he is amazing!
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