Hi Guys,


Total newcomer here, so bare with me . . . . . . .


I dont really have the time at the moment to go onto an NLP course, and as Sync already noted in his sticky, I should avoid broad NLP courses that are not specifically catered to this area. I was just wondering, is there any PUA specific material that you fine peeps would recommend that would help wet my appetite and at least help me garner a basic understanding of this area? I'm not naive enough to think there is any "quick path" (christ . . . see how many star wars jedi references I throw in here), but If I ever do pluck up the courage to find a mentor in this area, I would at least like to feel confident enough that I have a basic grasp of the subject. Many thanks in advance.

I agree, if anyone can recognise a Jedi reference, it’s Jesus, however, if your appetite was any whetter, you'd be shitting razors

Ross Jeffries is the guy who first put NLP and Seduction on the same plate and his is the most thorough menu of uses, however, he does have something of a reputation for linguistically smashing skulls. Obviously, the application of the tool is your own responsibility and will ultimately reveal your intentions. Add to Google and lightly pepper in “NLP” and “Seduction” to get enough articles to scrum yourself to bursting.

However, before you expend precious time and energy seeking and preparing ingredients, an important question might be, "At what point do I feel confident that I have achieved a basic grasp of the subject?”

“When I can…..”

Your answer will clarify what you actually want to eat, how much energy is actually worth putting into preparing this meal, when you’ve decided that you’re fed and if you’re that hungry in the first place.

A crafty snack might be instead to set time aside each day to sit quietly and practise, remembering the quality of, and then, lengthening the time you can, spin in your body feelings of calm, power, playfulness and joy. Your most magic words and actions will flow effortlessly from here.

You’re doing it already.

Yum.

I would recommend 3 books:

The Game – Neil Strauss
The Rules of the Game – Neil Strauss
The Mystery Method – Mystery

All available through amazon start here once you get these down then you will be ready to move onto Ross Jeffries and NLP/Seduction.

Double O,
I would add to that Tony Clink's "The Layguide." Sort of combines MM with SS.

Steve P and Hypnotica the Masterfull Inner game gurus. They use powerfull language patterns and deep trance phenomenon to effect change at deep deep level within you.

If Frogs is the best thing you've read on the subject of NLP that tells me that you have obviously not read any other book on NLP, plain and simple. You certainly haven't read NLP: The New Technology of Acheivement, or The User's Manual for the Brain. I would even argue that Unlimited Power provides a better overview. Also, there are NLP techniques/exercises as part of Rules of the Game. Although I believe that anybody on this forum would benefit greatly from a practitioner training, I think they are more interested in the applications to seduction than an all out course on NLP.

That's sad because it is an amazing book. There are some truly excellent exercises in there to improve inner game.

Hmmm, more detail required perhaps.

Structure of Magic 1 & 2 was the first but reads like an academic thesis on transformational grammar. Basically, it’s Bandler and Grinder geeking out hard over the baby.

Once the initial models were put together, a few books published and a few prodigal students trained (Robert Dilts, praise be upon him), Grinder and Bandler split as, for those who don’t know, Bandler is a touch crazy. Don’t hold that against him though as the man says himself, “I may be crazy but I know what I’m doing.”

You better believe it.

A good metaphor for the early NLP scene would be hacking. You got your super ethical White Hat hackers, your Call em like I see em Grey Hat hackers and the No holds barred Black Hat hackers.

Bandler, being the Grey to Black Hat pattern recognising genius went on to develop more stuff solo while making a shit load of money and then got involved in some seriously nasty shit while Grinder, being the Grey toWhite hat academic, went on to develop, synergise and formalise many new patterns, with the help Judith Delozer, Carmen Bostic and Dilts, to create New Code NLP.

Then lots of other people got involved.

The Andreas’ (New Technology of Achievement), Tad James, Michael Hall (teaming later with Bodenhamer – Users Manuel) and Anthony Robbins are but a few of the earlier ones. Together they created and added to the NLP field from their work and experiences based on the basic template patterns modelled by Bandler and Grinder.

Bandler, being the NLP creative equivalent of John out of the Beatles, tried to slap everyone else with a lawsuit to trademark NLP. Obviously, this failed so he went on to create and copyright Design Human Engineering and taught it with John La Valle. Basically, while NLP chunks down to sequential patterns DHE chunks up to simultaneous principles. DHE has remained very pure in its copyrighted state, requires an expert of NLP to teach and is nothing less than epic when properly executed.

NLP, however, was getting big.

Enter Ross Jeffries…

As you can see, the field is massive. Many of the books published all have valid multiple perspectives, from different points of development, on a very subjective field and have different variations on the processes involved. Amid all this good stuff there’s also plenty new age bullshit out there being milked too.

Understandably, the aspiring PUA may be reaching for the Vaseline.

If your outcome is greater success with women then centre on pick up focussed NLP, whoever it comes from. IF you feel a general NLP book is necessary I’d say Jaz is on the money with Joseph O’Connor - Introducing NLP or NLP Workbook as its format makes it highly accessible to the learner. Many of the others, while very relevant, read like academic papers (incredible really when given the subject matter).

Also, don’t do the courses, at around a grand a pop and the majority of trainers clueless you will get totally rinsed of your money. Again, if your outcome is more success with women, take that money and go on a good boot camp, not a general NLP course.

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I am certain you'll be glad you did.

Sync, I really like O'Connor's book, but Double O doesn't, and I understand why. That being said, I don't think it's the right book for a complete beginner. I think Unlimited Power is better for someone with no knowledge whatsoever of NLP.

There are a lot of things people on here don't know about Ross Jeffries. One thing I will tell you is, he is a very intelligent, very well-learned man. He learned NLP from Kenrick Cleveland, who you may or may not know, is all about covert persuasion and makes no excuses for it much like I make no excuses for myself as a man.

I am of the philosophy of reading anything you can get your hands on and allow your abilities to analyze to decide what benefits you and what doesn't. That being said, I am very cautious what I recommend to noobs because some things, although very good, can do more harm than good to a noob who is still lacking a foundation in the principles. The original Trance-formations is an example. A brilliant book for someone with a background in hypnosis. It does absolutely nothing for a noob PUA, however.

Got that, also Josh Seymour and also Hypnotica's stuff. Atcually been watching Hypnoticas Inner game, and I have found it to be brilliant, not just for seduction, but for everything.