Calling a guy out for saying he can't be arsed to respond to your argument and spelling incorrectly is not ad hominem, it's factual.

Calling me a retard butthurt resentful whiner with bad game who needs to get his shit together...

Seeing the contrast there alpha browalski?

I should have remembered the old saying about internet arguments, THIS is retarded and I'm done.

Okay. Your arguement is actually partially correct but your conclusions are stupid. Yes to pulls lots and lots and lots of girls you have to do lots and lots of chatting up girls.

You make some assumption of what men used to be able to do. Nope. Until pick-up most guys were essentially born with it or, if lucky, learnt by trial and error and got a little more success than they started off with.

You also made an odd assumption, or implication at least, that getting lots of hot girls:

A normal thing
Teachable to anyone
Means you could get a hot girlfriend

Nope, nope and nope.

It's not normal. The average guy has sex with ten or so girls before settling down.

A good 20% of guys are not going to be able to learn this shit whether it's their personality, commitment or if they take to it well. Or plain social rejects.

If you went out for years and only pulled one hot girl who became your wife who you had a happy marriage with, that would probably be more in tune with what guys want. Stop talking like pulling loads of chicks is some God given right. It's not. You're thick. And fat. And your parents hate you.

Heres some comments you made that stick outto me (on a tablet, multi quoting is too time consuming):

"I'm pointing out the larger trends at play in society and the reasons why there's now a massive pickup industry"

No there isn't. It started dying around 5ish years ago once everybody realised that (a) its pretty much all regurgatated bull shit and theres not much to write about that hasn't already been written (b) 9/10 PUA gurus aren't actually gurus, they are very, very good sales & marketing men & (c) PUA is almost purely sales & money driven - MOST (not all) gurus just one you to buy their stuff so they can make money. They dont really care if it works or not as long as you pay them monies for the "secret to pickup Ive been working on for 3 years" whichin reality probably only took a few months to throw together. The "Industry" has beenon life support for years. You really think the likes of Richard La Ruina or Kezia Noble are raking it in? PUA Training dont even offer boot camps anymore & the mighty Adam Lyons is no longer a PUA - what does that tell you?

"In fact the success rate is so low that guys who have really succeeded have indeed had to quit their jobs to dedicate all available time to pickup, look at i.e. Krauser."

Who are all these guys who quit their jobs? Going full time "gaming" would be awful. Approaching women 8-5, spending days studying it like its some kind of exam you can memorise. That will never work.

"Got my shit very much together thanks and I'm not whining, that's just you projecting"

If you did you would be having a decent amount of success with women, and you definitely wouldn't be moaning to strangers online about this - because if you did have your shit together you would be reserving your fucks for far more critical things.

Im not as harsh as everyone else here, but go have a think about why things dont work for you. Approaching millions of women, smashing out online dating messages & studying pick up theory isnt the answer. Go get your shit together.

So you wait until after I say this is retarded and I'm done to respond.

Then you say I'm partially correct but go on to call me a retard.

Piss weak.

Where did I say a god damn thing about pulling 'lots and lots' of girls!? Again you're projecting.

By 'girls' I mean enough to have a reasonable experience of women and be able to choose a good partner.

Again you miss the point. I'm saying men were MUCH better placed in the sexual marketplace due to the structure of society. Being a responsible guy with a good job who looked after himself was HUGELY valuable to women. These days where every hot girl is parading her arse on instawhore it means fuck all. Because of said societal changes and the delusional over-entitled mindset of women men are forced into more and more sexual competition. So we arrive at a massively skewed sexual marketplace where the 'alphas' get practically everything and the bulk of guys get practically nothing.

Again I never said a fucking thing about getting 'lots of hot girls' being normal.

Predictably you descend into ad hominem and trying to make me look like a neck beard when you don't know a god damn thing about me.

What kind of forum is this where EVERYONE metaphorically beats the shit out of a guy for expressing an argument/opinion which differs to your own?

Oh I know it's a crazy braindead reactionist one, a bit like...LEFTWING NUTJOBS.

Fuck off browalski, you and your forum of intolerant keyboard alphas.

Really!? Where's the evidence? There are far more pickup instructors advertising services now than there were five years ago. Have you seen the crowds at RSD seminars? They might as well start doing stadiums.

I met a guy in London who used to do Kezia's marketing and by his account yeah she IS raking it in. So much so that he went and started HIS OWN pickup business and is still at it. I met one guy who he charged 3 fucking grand for a few 'nightgame' training sessions. Sound like RAKING IT IN?

"In fact the success rate is so low that guys who have really succeeded have indeed had to quit their jobs to dedicate all available time to pickup, look at i.e. Krauser."

Who are all these guys who quit their jobs? Going full time "gaming" would be awful. Approaching women 8-5, spending days studying it like its some kind of exam you can memorise. That will never work.

Guys like Krauser, go read his blog. These guys have unplugged from the matrix.

"Got my shit very much together thanks and I'm not whining, that's just you projecting"

Wrong. I've met a ton of decent hard working guys who've got their shit together and still struggle badly to get a decent bird. You want to tell them that it's all their fault and they're pathetic losers. I'm done with that bullshit story that feminists and brainwashed 'man up' bros are pushing.

At least you haven't called me a retard, but you're not much better, all you can do is suggest I'm a neck beard loser hence my opinion.

Fuck off browalski, you have no arguments and nothing to discuss.

I'm only responding to guys who actually made points.

To be fair to him, I can tap into people and annoy them. If only I could monetize this.

I meant your arguments were partially correct but your conclusion was wrong. This is self-explanatory. You could be right it saying a carrot is orange but if you said that meant it was an orange fruit because it's orange. Well you're wrong.

I assumed you meant that because that was the only way anyone could even suggest 'these days' it's too difficult. Haha I just realised you're calling us all reactionaries when you're the one who's angry about 'these days'. All those loose women eh?

Then you are entirely wrong. To get reasonable experience with women and be able to choose a good partner is within a good 60% of all men. Again the other 40% are people who just don't put the effort in - sure we'd all like to have hot girls but it is tough work regardless of what era you're in - or men who lack the self-awareness/perseverance/learning capacity/personality or even looks.

Ah here's your reactionary mindset in full attack mode. Yes, you are right. The 'alphas' do get 'most' of it and the bulk of guys do get practically nothing.

So? There are a lot of girls out there. You can develop yourself into a 'reasonably alpha' guy to get enough experience and find a beautiful girl. Your problem with your argument is your entire point is essentially 'girls are entitled these days so therefore your average guy can't get any' but haven't explain WHY that's true? You go off the assumption that it means NO attractive would like you for you. You also lump all girls into an extremely narrow demographic of attention whores. A lot are for sure but again not all.

Pussy.

Nope. I know exactly who you are. You're a gamer type guy, probably work in some kind of tech or studying for it. You did some RSD stuff for a few years and found no results. You probably read loads of stuff out there to no avail. You found the red pill stuff and rather than seeing it as a way to develop yourself and meet girls, you saw it as an excuse.

As a forum it is very anti-pua, this is a dating/development forum. We hate whiners too.

Oh and Ronan, you say you know guys who have got their shit together, hard working and still struggle with girls. Uhhh yeah? Being a hard working guy with his shit together isn't particularly related to attraction. A lot of guys who are good with girls DO NOT have their shit together, they are just confident with girls essentially.

Also your wording was 'they struggle to meet a decent bird' yeah welcome to life mate. That's nothing to do with pick-up. That's everyone's life. If finding a good partner was so easy then it'd sorta defeat the whole point of it. Just because you can pull girls every night, doesn't mean you are immune from the struggle of finding a good girl.

Even DeCaprio and George Clooney have that problem.